[P2P-F] emergent holoptism as OCL Re: open capital License?

Thu Feb 7 20:10:42 CET 2013

Does reality play any role in the interplay of our subjective views?  Do we
consider physical laws as something that needs to be objectified?

Through digital tools such as the above, a group of people could objectify
the Maya apocalypse. Will reality make them a favor and make their
objective view true?
If we forget reality, will it forget us?

Isnt the program that one creates for the emergence of collective
intelligence a set of rules that are imposed universally? (The need for a
computer, the knowledge for its use, the limitation of its representation,
the free time one needs etc)

Despite the fact that we cannot avoid imposing rules, as a consequence of
our effort not to enforce an objective truth, we dont use scientific
discoveries about the reality when it is reality that we want to transform.

This is not to say that we should have a universal objective truth for
everything. We should try to find the minimum of the rules required.

2013/2/7 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>

> Thanks Olivier !
>
> I like the word / concept of Anopticism, which I got to know about through
> you / p2pfoundation wiki <http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism>,
>
> and mentioned it not later then yesterday in some other exchange.
>
> Thanks for having clarified it on this conversation thread :)
>
> I hope we can find ways of collaborating around making such solutions more
> available, technically speaking, reducing thresholds for such crowdsourcing
> of contextualizations...
>
> I like efforts converging around http://www.netention.org/ - its
> constantly brewing new ideas, evolving, ...
> Perhaps there are other places / software development approaches with such
> spirit in mind ?
>
> Ways to converge / create synergies towards the development of such tools ?
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM, olivier auber <olivierauber2 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Just a word to say that I strongly disagree to say that the concept of
>> holoptism may describe what we are seeking and trying to do here (P2P
>> foundation).
>>
>> I think that the concept of "Anopticism" may describe it better.
>>
>> If it seems quite paradoxical to name the project of making the
>> collective intelligence visible : "Anopticism" [from the Greek "a"
>> (without) and "optiké" (vision)], it’s certainly because it needs some
>> explanations ...
>>
>> Of course, the anopticon is the opposite of the "panopticon". In a
>> certain manner, the concept of "Anopticism" also differs from the
>> concept of "holopticism" [from the Greek "holos" (whole)], which
>> "consists of a physical or virtual space whose architecture is
>> intentionally designed to give its players the ability to see and
>> perceive all that occurs there ". If we consider the opposition of the
>> Greek roots, we could even believe that there is a radical antagonism
>> between Anoptic and holoptic. It's not quite the case: if Anopticism
>> and holopticism, "are designed to give to each individual a modeled
>> representation of space [...] in which he operates", the Anopticism
>> mourns for the idea that the "totality" of this space is the
>> "objectivity" of its representation, it insists instead on the
>> arbitrary and subjectivity of the points of view that govern the
>> models and on the rules that determine them.
>>
>> For the Anopticism, human relationships are not reducible to the
>> establishment of a cybernetic feedback loop between the group and the
>> individual: the essential is forever invisible to us. The mourning of
>> objectivity is made bearable by the fact that everyone is potentially
>> the author of the points of view and the actor of the implemented
>> rules and codes. In this way, the Anopticism intends to legitimate a
>> "digital perspective" which may be applied within social systems.
>>
>> more : http://perspective-numerique.net/wakka.php?wiki=Anopticism
>>
>> --
>> Olivier Auber
>> Evolution, Complexity and COgnition group (ECCO) & Global Brain Institute
>> Free University of Brussels (VUB) http://ecco.vub.ac.be
>> Paris +33675038880 / Bruxelles +32492050697
>> http://perspective-numerique.net
>> http://twitter.com/#!/OlivierAuber
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/2/7 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM, flawer <flawer at shareful.be> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > the visualization of past transactions as a form of reputation ,
>> >> > or of currently described contexts and suggestions, can speak for
>> >> > itself :)
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess, very much like on e-bay or couchsurfing
>> >>
>> >> i tend to dislike these models.. people forced me to comment in cs and
>> >> i am browsing too much of a overhappied load, but i admit that it works
>> >> for the majority.  i prefer the 'no news are good news', archive bad
>> >> reputation only, and then having a little of bad reputation could be a
>> >> wished reputation  (it is better some visible reputation than no
>> visible
>> >> reputation, maybe :).
>> >
>> >
>> > It was only to make a parallel... with concepts / approaches to
>> reputation
>> > online.
>> >
>> > the way I imagine it, there would be no need to comment, or add stars,
>> or
>> > whatever...
>> >
>> > Transactions would happen, and based on the privacy levels people
>> choose,
>> > they are publicly available or not...
>> >
>> > hence people can understand interdependencies and choose to interact
>> based
>> > on past, present, and future actions or suggestions...
>> >
>> > The past, present and future are defined in this introduction :
>> >
>> > http://www.netention.org/intro/
>> >
>> > (Watch in full-screen)
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >   i guess this depends on the
>> >> >  owner of the ontology, the relations he allowed that concept to be
>> >> >  transferable with.[...]
>> >> > yes, ideally ontologies would be free to use...
>> >>
>> >> but not that much free to relate to other ontologies (concept creator
>> >> moderate its semantics, altough it could be crowdsourcedly inputed or
>> >> reviewed too).. or it's pure folksonomy.
>> >
>> >
>> > as I see it, combination of the two... ontologies and folksonomies...
>> > + people can use the tool to define their own meaning / ontologies
>> >
>> > when combined with tags, I imagine that bridges can be made, through
>> > emergence and patterns evolving out of it, between a potential
>> diversity of
>> > ontologies used ?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > one would need to convene to use the same ontologies...
>> >> > though perhaps som
>> >> >
>> >> > meaning giving ?
>> >>
>> >> through the defining, and the adding of (reviewable, crwodsourced)
>> >> hints for developing for the concept (i.e. coward) and +1s for those..
>> >> is how i initially thought this karmic wealth (coward, etc points) to
>> be
>> >> generated. It can be used for relating material resources transactions
>> >>
>> >> >> Or natural language processing... but perhaps that becomes more
>> >> >> complex, and I do no
>> >>
>> >> uhm... let's start by trying to find universalizable meaningful sets of
>> >> things:
>> >>
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic
>> >> human values maybe....
>> >>
>> >> or play with just verbs or just nouns for defining other things..
>> >
>> >
>> > or we can start simply with units such as apples and pears ( such as
>> within
>> > a collaborative consumption and/or shareable approach )
>> >
>> > and also express the conditions related to such transactions,
>> >
>> > and then add / experiment with any other algorithms later ?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> or go back to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopeia (although it
>> has
>> >> some dialects by longitude and latitude :)
>> >
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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