[P2P-F] spanish social network ..

Sat Jun 25 13:29:24 CEST 2011

Dear Elf,

I'm a technology minimalist myself, I just want things to work and reach
people, using FLOSS when I can (our wiki and blog, mail list); moving from
Ning to another platform is not something I'ld like to see for the moment,
as it has been difficult enough to get it going ... I think a step to
another platform is justified if we would "do" something specific for our
community ...

We do have now a separate platform mailing list, where James Burke, Franko
Iacomealla, Kester, and others discuss our tech infrastructure ... I will
typically go along with what they propose, but make the above remark ... <g>

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, elf Pavlik
<perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>wrote:

> Hola ;)
>
> I had pleasure to meet most of the core developers working on Lorea
> projects and it's most developed implementation based on elgg platform. You
> can find my account on n-1.cc here: https://n-1.cc/pg/profile/elf.pavlik
>
> I would encourage everyone to give it a shot. Personally I would like to
> help besides other features with data portability, that hopefully soon one
> can move ones account (later maybe even group) from n-1 to any other seed.
> What I really like about this project that people don't focus on social
> networking trivials but work on serious community collaboration tools. I see
> some parallels between people from lorea and riseup folks. I've already made
> some attempts to invite crabgrass developers (from riseup) to try work on
> integration with lorea-elgg. For more generic initiative please take a look
> at 'Federated Social Web':
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Main_Page we just
> had FSW Summit in Berlin few weeks ago. I could write more on my take on FSW
> and possibly invite some of my friends from Lorea to write an article about
> their project. For now I could recommend a video titled "A Federated Social
> Web for Peace" by Markus Sabadello (who's other video I've posted here a
> while ago):
> http://vimeo.com/23564585
>
> Oh, when I have proposed a while ago moving P2P Foundation ning group to an
> Open Source platform with federation features under development, i also have
> considered using lorea-elgg, but eventually particular platform itself will
> not matter as long as it implements common federation protocols. So social
> networks running on elgg, drupal, buddypress, crabgrass, etc. may all
> interoperate creating very smooth experience for a person participating in
> all those networks!
>
> I hope we will give this topic some attention =)
> elf Pavlik
>
> http://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper
> http://moneyless-world.info
>
>
>
> Excerpts from Michel Bauwens's message of Fri Jun 24 12:23:39 +0200 2011:
> > perhaps someone could report on this for the p2p blog?
> >
> >
> > Alejandro <skoria at gmail.com> Jun 23 06:31AM -0700
> > ^<?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#130bcda4d7035656_digest_top>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm just cross posting this message from a few days ago, trying to
> > spread awareness of the Lorea and N-1 projects - more explanation
> > below! Hope it's of interest, and feel free to get in touch if you'd
> > like to know more!
> >
> > Alejandro
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Alejandro <skoria at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all, I think this is a great idea, and I wish I could go
> > or
> > send someone from this project!
> >
> > I'd like to invite you all to join one of the various Lorea seeds
> > you
> > can find at http://lorea.cc/
> >
> > To explain this cryptic language, Lorea means "Flower" in Basque,
> > and
> > it is a set of plugins for the php based open source social
> > network
> > Elgg. They extend it alongside, and beyond the aims of Diaspora,
> > following the ideas of Deleuze and Guattari.
> >
> > It's main use is currently as the N-1 network ( https://n-1.cc/ )
> > -
> > one of the coordination tools that is currently being used
> > (besides
> > regular online tools like twitter and facebook), by the
> > assemblarian
> > #15m movement based in Spain and beyond. It had been active for
> > around
> > a year, and many of the organisations that sprang to help out when
> > word spread that the camps had started, were already using Lorea
> > based
> > networks as a shared non commercial space.
> >
> > It provides, as a basic set of services, chat, piratepads, a task
> > system forums, wikis, groups, and ways to upload and link to
> > different
> > media, sharing it all on an internal microblogging wire which is
> > now
> > Ostatus enabled.
> >
> > https://bitbucket.org/rhizomatik
> >
> > There are various different lorea "seeds" - as in, implemented
> > social
> > network "confederates". Each one is a fully functional social
> > network
> > in many ways. The project comes from Sevilla mostly, but also now
> > is
> > being developed across the rest of Spain, and beyond. Together all
> > these things provide ways to federate information between
> > different
> > social networks.
> >
> > There is now a moving "Hackaton" - a hacking marathon centred on
> > improving N-1 - which saw an increase of about 10000 members in a
> > week, and is growing rapidly. The hackaton just left Madrid, and
> > has
> > reached Barcelona, where it's taking place at the Barcelona
> > Hackerspace, next stop Valencia later this week. The hackaton is
> > based
> > around creating a participative democracy toolkit, so that the
> > various
> > assembly acts being posted online can be shared in more
> > intelligent
> > ways, perhaps allowing different ways to show who voted for each
> > proposal in any one assembly, or showing what different opinions
> > are
> > from one area to another.
> >
> > The participative democracy assemblies of all the city camps,
> > which
> > have now spread to the local neighbourhoods or "barrios" are run
> > according to
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Hand_signals
> >
> > For each proposal brought to an assembly, there is twinkling of
> > hands
> > from the people who approve, followed by barred hands from those
> > who
> > disapprove, and to keep things moving when the chatter gets going,
> > hands turn in a revolving to politely move things along.
> >
> > I think this all provides a rich experimental ground for
> > development -
> > there are many things we could be using or are in development,
> > like
> > geolocation, an RDF mapping for the democracy data, scalable high
> > performance location awareness, there's room for everyone! :)
> >
> > Personally I would love to do something to do with mapping
> > resource
> > transactions - towards participative aspects to an economy as
> > well.
> > The 15m movement is to me a mass movement to reconsider democracy
> > and
> > see if we can get closer to a more direct, participative version
> > of
> > it. In doing it, there are lots of different ideas, that sometimes
> > even disagree with each other. I think this is healthy, and I hope
> > there will be interest from people here in starting new seeds, and
> > working with us both in activism towards figuring out what "post
> > capitalism" is and in making Lorea networks all the more open,
> > positive ways to coordinate spontaneous social movements.
> >
> > Here is an interview with one of the developers on the Ostatus
> > aspect:
> > http://ostatus.org/2010/08/05/ostatus-interview-pablo-martin
> >
> > Thanks to all who are helping with this conference!
> >
> > Ale Fernandez
> >
>
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