Dear Elf,<br><br>I'm a technology minimalist myself, I just want things to work and reach people, using FLOSS when I can (our wiki and blog, mail list); moving from Ning to another platform is not something I'ld like to see for the moment, as it has been difficult enough to get it going ... I think a step to another platform is justified if we would "do" something specific for our community ...<br>
<br>We do have now a separate platform mailing list, where James Burke, Franko Iacomealla, Kester, and others discuss our tech infrastructure ... I will typically go along with what they propose, but make the above remark ... <g><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, elf Pavlik <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org">perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hola ;)<br>
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I had pleasure to meet most of the core developers working on Lorea projects and it's most developed implementation based on elgg platform. You can find my account on n-1.cc here: <a href="https://n-1.cc/pg/profile/elf.pavlik" target="_blank">https://n-1.cc/pg/profile/elf.pavlik</a><br>
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I would encourage everyone to give it a shot. Personally I would like to help besides other features with data portability, that hopefully soon one can move ones account (later maybe even group) from n-1 to any other seed. What I really like about this project that people don't focus on social networking trivials but work on serious community collaboration tools. I see some parallels between people from lorea and riseup folks. I've already made some attempts to invite crabgrass developers (from riseup) to try work on integration with lorea-elgg. For more generic initiative please take a look at 'Federated Social Web': <a href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Main_Page</a> we just had FSW Summit in Berlin few weeks ago. I could write more on my take on FSW and possibly invite some of my friends from Lorea to write an article about their project. For now I could recommend a video titled "A Federated Social Web for Peace" by Markus Sabadello (who's other video I've posted here a while ago):<br>
<a href="http://vimeo.com/23564585" target="_blank">http://vimeo.com/23564585</a><br>
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Oh, when I have proposed a while ago moving P2P Foundation ning group to an Open Source platform with federation features under development, i also have considered using lorea-elgg, but eventually particular platform itself will not matter as long as it implements common federation protocols. So social networks running on elgg, drupal, buddypress, crabgrass, etc. may all interoperate creating very smooth experience for a person participating in all those networks!<br>
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I hope we will give this topic some attention =)<br>
elf Pavlik<br>
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<a href="http://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper" target="_blank">http://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper</a><br>
<a href="http://moneyless-world.info" target="_blank">http://moneyless-world.info</a><br>
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Excerpts from Michel Bauwens's message of Fri Jun 24 12:23:39 +0200 2011:<br>
> perhaps someone could report on this for the p2p blog?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Alejandro <<a href="mailto:skoria@gmail.com">skoria@gmail.com</a>> Jun 23 06:31AM -0700<br>
> ^<?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#130bcda4d7035656_digest_top><br>
><br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> I'm just cross posting this message from a few days ago, trying to<br>
> spread awareness of the Lorea and N-1 projects - more explanation<br>
> below! Hope it's of interest, and feel free to get in touch if you'd<br>
> like to know more!<br>
><br>
> Alejandro<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Alejandro <<a href="mailto:skoria@gmail.com">skoria@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> First of all, I think this is a great idea, and I wish I could go<br>
> or<br>
> send someone from this project!<br>
><br>
> I'd like to invite you all to join one of the various Lorea seeds<br>
> you<br>
> can find at <a href="http://lorea.cc/" target="_blank">http://lorea.cc/</a><br>
><br>
> To explain this cryptic language, Lorea means "Flower" in Basque,<br>
> and<br>
> it is a set of plugins for the php based open source social<br>
> network<br>
> Elgg. They extend it alongside, and beyond the aims of Diaspora,<br>
> following the ideas of Deleuze and Guattari.<br>
><br>
> It's main use is currently as the N-1 network ( <a href="https://n-1.cc/" target="_blank">https://n-1.cc/</a> )<br>
> -<br>
> one of the coordination tools that is currently being used<br>
> (besides<br>
> regular online tools like twitter and facebook), by the<br>
> assemblarian<br>
> #15m movement based in Spain and beyond. It had been active for<br>
> around<br>
> a year, and many of the organisations that sprang to help out when<br>
> word spread that the camps had started, were already using Lorea<br>
> based<br>
> networks as a shared non commercial space.<br>
><br>
> It provides, as a basic set of services, chat, piratepads, a task<br>
> system forums, wikis, groups, and ways to upload and link to<br>
> different<br>
> media, sharing it all on an internal microblogging wire which is<br>
> now<br>
> Ostatus enabled.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://bitbucket.org/rhizomatik" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/rhizomatik</a><br>
><br>
> There are various different lorea "seeds" - as in, implemented<br>
> social<br>
> network "confederates". Each one is a fully functional social<br>
> network<br>
> in many ways. The project comes from Sevilla mostly, but also now<br>
> is<br>
> being developed across the rest of Spain, and beyond. Together all<br>
> these things provide ways to federate information between<br>
> different<br>
> social networks.<br>
><br>
> There is now a moving "Hackaton" - a hacking marathon centred on<br>
> improving N-1 - which saw an increase of about 10000 members in a<br>
> week, and is growing rapidly. The hackaton just left Madrid, and<br>
> has<br>
> reached Barcelona, where it's taking place at the Barcelona<br>
> Hackerspace, next stop Valencia later this week. The hackaton is<br>
> based<br>
> around creating a participative democracy toolkit, so that the<br>
> various<br>
> assembly acts being posted online can be shared in more<br>
> intelligent<br>
> ways, perhaps allowing different ways to show who voted for each<br>
> proposal in any one assembly, or showing what different opinions<br>
> are<br>
> from one area to another.<br>
><br>
> The participative democracy assemblies of all the city camps,<br>
> which<br>
> have now spread to the local neighbourhoods or "barrios" are run<br>
> according to<br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Hand_signals" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Hand_signals</a><br>
><br>
> For each proposal brought to an assembly, there is twinkling of<br>
> hands<br>
> from the people who approve, followed by barred hands from those<br>
> who<br>
> disapprove, and to keep things moving when the chatter gets going,<br>
> hands turn in a revolving to politely move things along.<br>
><br>
> I think this all provides a rich experimental ground for<br>
> development -<br>
> there are many things we could be using or are in development,<br>
> like<br>
> geolocation, an RDF mapping for the democracy data, scalable high<br>
> performance location awareness, there's room for everyone! :)<br>
><br>
> Personally I would love to do something to do with mapping<br>
> resource<br>
> transactions - towards participative aspects to an economy as<br>
> well.<br>
> The 15m movement is to me a mass movement to reconsider democracy<br>
> and<br>
> see if we can get closer to a more direct, participative version<br>
> of<br>
> it. In doing it, there are lots of different ideas, that sometimes<br>
> even disagree with each other. I think this is healthy, and I hope<br>
> there will be interest from people here in starting new seeds, and<br>
> working with us both in activism towards figuring out what "post<br>
> capitalism" is and in making Lorea networks all the more open,<br>
> positive ways to coordinate spontaneous social movements.<br>
><br>
> Here is an interview with one of the developers on the Ostatus<br>
> aspect:<br>
> <a href="http://ostatus.org/2010/08/05/ostatus-interview-pablo-martin" target="_blank">http://ostatus.org/2010/08/05/ostatus-interview-pablo-martin</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks to all who are helping with this conference!<br>
><br>
> Ale Fernandez<br>
><br>
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