[P2P-F] Profit Measures the Payer's Lack of Ownership in the Means of Production

[Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis]

Patrick have you thought of the initial capital problem?

In most cases people have different amounts of money which might lead some
people to not be able to co-own.

Then there are 2 possibilities we can consider.

Either not allow companies to exist that are not co-owned. We will not have
profit then as you say. We will also have a non-optimal solution.(ex
farmers not be allowed to buy a tractor which is not co-owned).

Allow poeple to be indebted to poeple and that will create profit for the
creditor.

The second case creates profit for some but the company is controlled by
the customers - workers and this way the company will try to maximize the
productivity of goods , the quality of the product and the working
conditions.

2011/12/9 Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>

> Sepp wrote:
> > It takes someone with a minimum of
> > managerial skills to do the organizing,
>
> I agree, and I am not one of those people.
>
> But maybe we could pay those organizers
> a very large Wage instead...
>
> The reason I resist paying them from Profits
> is that Profits simply WILL NOT EXIST if
> Investors are receiving Product for risk
> because there is no Sale.
>
>
> For example, imagine a group of us Invest to
> buy and build a network for our own benefit.
>
> We do not sell any of the bandwidth, but
> simply use that Product as our Return.
>
> We must still pay all the Costs of production,
> including any Wages to managers and workers,
> but Profit will not exist because the Product
> will never be sold.
>
>
> The scenario I describe is the 'static' case, and
> only applies unless we DO start selling Product
> to those with insufficient ownership.
>
> Isn't it interesting that Profit only appears when
> the late Payer has insufficient ownership?
>
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Sincerely yours,

     Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
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