Patrick have you thought of the initial capital problem?<div><br></div><div>In most cases people have different amounts of money which might lead some people to not be able to co-own.</div><div><br></div><div>Then there are 2 possibilities we can consider.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Either not allow companies to exist that are not co-owned. We will not have profit then as you say. We will also have a non-optimal solution.(ex farmers not be allowed to buy a tractor which is not co-owned).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Allow poeple to be indebted to poeple and that will create profit for the creditor.</div><div><br></div><div>The second case creates profit for some but the company is controlled by the customers - workers and this way the company will try to maximize the productivity of goods , the quality of the product and the working conditions.�</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/9 Patrick Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agnucius@gmail.com">agnucius@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Sepp wrote:<br>
> It takes someone with a minimum of<br>
> managerial skills to do the organizing,<br>
<br>
I agree, and I am not one of those people.<br>
<br>
But maybe we could pay those organizers<br>
a very large Wage instead...<br>
<br>
The reason I resist paying them from Profits<br>
is that Profits simply WILL NOT EXIST if<br>
Investors are receiving Product for risk<br>
because there is no Sale.<br>
<br>
<br>
For example, imagine a group of us Invest to<br>
buy and build a network for our own benefit.<br>
<br>
We do not sell any of the bandwidth, but<br>
simply use that Product as our Return.<br>
<br>
We must still pay all the Costs of production,<br>
including any Wages to managers and workers,<br>
but Profit will not exist because the Product<br>
will never be sold.<br>
<br>
<br>
The scenario I describe is the 'static' case, and<br>
only applies unless we DO start selling Product<br>
to those with insufficient ownership.<br>
<br>
Isn't it interesting that Profit only appears when<br>
the late Payer has insufficient ownership?<br>
<br>
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Sincerely yours, </pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"> Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis</pre></span><br>
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