[P2P-F] michigan developments

Fri Apr 29 17:29:47 CEST 2011

thanks Sam, for all the good work you are attempting there

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Michel Bauwens
> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think then the first thing would be to identify individuals on a local
> > level, and proceed from there
> >
> > do you know the digital justice coalition in detroit?
> >
>
> Yes, this is good advice for sure. Getting the people who have been
> active in Michigan around these issues to coordinate and collaborate
> is definitely worthwhile. They are largely fractured.
>
> No offense is meant by this, but digital justice is only one aspect of
> the political advocacy that we're pursuing here. Especially now that
> the state government is actually taking over whole towns, bringing
> corporate cronies, etc. There are coalitions building now where
> "digital justice" folks could easily have a place at the table though.
>
> We already have a lot of progress in doing the same coalition building
> around Food systems here in Michigan and in the region.
>
>
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > hi Kevin,
> >> >
> >> > I completely agree with your approach, which seems congruent with
> mine,
> >> >
> >> > Michel
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, on board with this too. In fact, I am also interested in working
> >> with unions, and even local branches of parties like the Democrats
> >> where there is support for commons/p2p approaches.
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Kevin Carson
> >> > <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >> >> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Dear Sam,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm personally not suggesting that p2p people should create a
> >> >> > political
> >> >> > party, BUT, I do think that we should have bridges to the
> >> >> > institutional
> >> >> > world, and that includes a network of sympathetic politicians,
> >> >>
> >> >> > so it's not about creating a p2p political party, but of
> meshworking
> >> >> > political and non-political people around shared concerns wherever
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > be active
> >> >>
> >> >> I think what you suggest is the optimal form of political
> >> >> participation.  The first emphasis should be on building
> >> >> counterinstitutions at the local level and taking advantage of the
> >> >> potential offered by liberatory technologies to create spaces outside
> >> >> of state/corporate control, as Sam writes here:
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead, I am really focused on
> >> >> >> providing plausible alternatives to food, energy, education,
> >> >> >> technology and culture systems in our cities and communities,
> where
> >> >> >> people can co-govern the resources, an collaborate with others in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> region who are doing the same.
> >> >>
> >> >> To the extent that we're involved in politics, it should be by
> >> >> developing informal friendly ties and networking with particular
> >> >> individuals inside the party establishments, or by participating in
> ad
> >> >> hoc issue-oriented pressure campaigns in coalition with groups like
> >> >> EFF.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Kevin Carson
> >> >> Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
> >> >> Mutualist Blog:  Free Market Anti-Capitalism
> >> >> http://mutualist.blogspot.com
> >> >> The Homebrew Industrial Revolution:  A Low-Overhead Manifesto
> >> >> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com
> >> >> Organization Theory:  A Libertarian Perspective
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
> >> >>
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