thanks Sam, for all the good work you are attempting there<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Michel Bauwens<br>
<<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think then the first thing would be to identify individuals on a local<br>
> level, and proceed from there<br>
><br>
> do you know the digital justice coalition in detroit?<br>
><br>
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</div>Yes, this is good advice for sure. Getting the people who have been<br>
active in Michigan around these issues to coordinate and collaborate<br>
is definitely worthwhile. They are largely fractured.<br>
<br>
No offense is meant by this, but digital justice is only one aspect of<br>
the political advocacy that we're pursuing here. Especially now that<br>
the state government is actually taking over whole towns, bringing<br>
corporate cronies, etc. There are coalitions building now where<br>
"digital justice" folks could easily have a place at the table though.<br>
<br>
We already have a lot of progress in doing the same coalition building<br>
around Food systems here in Michigan and in the region.<br>
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > hi Kevin,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I completely agree with your approach, which seems congruent with mine,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Michel<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> Yes, on board with this too. In fact, I am also interested in working<br>
>> with unions, and even local branches of parties like the Democrats<br>
>> where there is support for commons/p2p approaches.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Kevin Carson<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:free.market.anticapitalist@gmail.com">free.market.anticapitalist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Dear Sam,<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I'm personally not suggesting that p2p people should create a<br>
>> >> > political<br>
>> >> > party, BUT, I do think that we should have bridges to the<br>
>> >> > institutional<br>
>> >> > world, and that includes a network of sympathetic politicians,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> > so it's not about creating a p2p political party, but of meshworking<br>
>> >> > political and non-political people around shared concerns wherever<br>
>> >> > they<br>
>> >> > can<br>
>> >> > be active<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think what you suggest is the optimal form of political<br>
>> >> participation. �The first emphasis should be on building<br>
>> >> counterinstitutions at the local level and taking advantage of the<br>
>> >> potential offered by liberatory technologies to create spaces outside<br>
>> >> of state/corporate control, as Sam writes here:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Instead, I am really focused on<br>
>> >> >> providing plausible alternatives to food, energy, education,<br>
>> >> >> technology and culture systems in our cities and communities, where<br>
>> >> >> people can co-govern the resources, an collaborate with others in<br>
>> >> >> the<br>
>> >> >> region who are doing the same.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> To the extent that we're involved in politics, it should be by<br>
>> >> developing informal friendly ties and networking with particular<br>
>> >> individuals inside the party establishments, or by participating in ad<br>
>> >> hoc issue-oriented pressure campaigns in coalition with groups like<br>
>> >> EFF.<br>
>> >><br>
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