[P2P-F] is p2p akin to anarchism

Tue Apr 12 07:38:19 CEST 2011

hi mark,

I was initally tempted to reply to this, but a later comment about my essay
being total crap, shows it's not the kind of person with whom a dialogue
would be fruitful,

Michel

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Mark Janssen <dreamingforward at gmail.com>wrote:

> Michel, I would offer a little counter-argument to Mr. Hardy's comment.
> Mainly that while syndicalism does indeed advocate a style of governance
> very much like that as hoped for in the P2pFoundation (as well as myself),
> the scale and diversity at which the Internet *enables* is something that is
> far beyond what could ever be managed or orchestrated by non-networked means
> (at least in the near term within scientific materialism).   The desire for
> trade and diversity would otherwise make primitive syndicalism fail.  Indeed
> both communism and capitalism arose from these failures.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marcos
> pangaia.sf.net
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> views very welcome,
>>
>> Michel
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>> Hi Michel,
>> Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link.
>> Henry wrote: "The article, "The Political Economy of Peer Production," by
>> Michael Bauwens, advocates a supposedly new form of economic organization
>> based on peer-to-peer networking. This social-network, flat,
>> non-hierarchical system of production is anticipated in the political and
>> economic philosophy of syndicalism, dating pack to 1895. Syndicalism is a
>> system of organization of the means of production which seeks to replace
>> free enterprise capitalism (US) and state capitalism (China) with
>> co-operative, voluntary federations of democratically-organized and
>> administered trade unions. Mutual aid, self-organization, and
>> self-administration are among the means and goals of syndicalism. In other
>> words, the first three "requirements"in this article, technological
>> infrastructure that operates on peer-to-peer processes, alternative
>> information and communication systems, software infrastructure, to the
>> degree that they are requirements at all, in no way require computers or
>> computer networks! The article attempts to graft the author's (perhaps
>> un-self-aware) syndicalist political views onto the development process of
>> the Internet and Free Software projects. In fact, the most successful of
>> these, such as the Internet under Jon Postel, the Free Software Foundation
>> under Richard Stallman, One Laptop per Child under Nicholas Negroponte, and
>> Linux kernel maintenance under Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton, have been
>> what might more accurately described as "benign dictatorships" than
>> syndicalist or peer-to-peer in nature. "An injury to one is an injury to
>> all." http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism
>> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel
>> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
>> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte
>> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/linus.html"
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