[P2P-F] is p2p akin to anarchism

Tue Apr 12 05:31:48 CEST 2011

Michel, I would offer a little counter-argument to Mr. Hardy's comment.
Mainly that while syndicalism does indeed advocate a style of governance
very much like that as hoped for in the P2pFoundation (as well as myself),
the scale and diversity at which the Internet *enables* is something that is
far beyond what could ever be managed or orchestrated by non-networked means
(at least in the near term within scientific materialism).   The desire for
trade and diversity would otherwise make primitive syndicalism fail.  Indeed
both communism and capitalism arose from these failures.

Cheers,

Marcos
pangaia.sf.net

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> views very welcome,
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> Michel
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> Hi Michel,
> Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link.
> Henry wrote: "The article, "The Political Economy of Peer Production," by
> Michael Bauwens, advocates a supposedly new form of economic organization
> based on peer-to-peer networking. This social-network, flat,
> non-hierarchical system of production is anticipated in the political and
> economic philosophy of syndicalism, dating pack to 1895. Syndicalism is a
> system of organization of the means of production which seeks to replace
> free enterprise capitalism (US) and state capitalism (China) with
> co-operative, voluntary federations of democratically-organized and
> administered trade unions. Mutual aid, self-organization, and
> self-administration are among the means and goals of syndicalism. In other
> words, the first three "requirements"in this article, technological
> infrastructure that operates on peer-to-peer processes, alternative
> information and communication systems, software infrastructure, to the
> degree that they are requirements at all, in no way require computers or
> computer networks! The article attempts to graft the author's (perhaps
> un-self-aware) syndicalist political views onto the development process of
> the Internet and Free Software projects. In fact, the most successful of
> these, such as the Internet under Jon Postel, the Free Software Foundation
> under Richard Stallman, One Laptop per Child under Nicholas Negroponte, and
> Linux kernel maintenance under Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton, have been
> what might more accurately described as "benign dictatorships" than
> syndicalist or peer-to-peer in nature. "An injury to one is an injury to
> all." http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism
> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel
> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
> http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte
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