hi mark,<br><br>I was initally tempted to reply to this, but a later comment about my essay being total crap, shows it's not the kind of person with whom a dialogue would be fruitful,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Mark Janssen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dreamingforward@gmail.com">dreamingforward@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Michel, I would offer a little counter-argument to Mr. Hardy's comment.� Mainly that while syndicalism does indeed advocate a style of governance very much like that as hoped for in the P2pFoundation (as well as myself), the scale and diversity at which the Internet *enables* is something that is far beyond what could ever be managed or orchestrated by non-networked means (at least in the near term within scientific materialism).�� The desire for trade and diversity would otherwise make primitive syndicalism fail.� Indeed both communism and capitalism arose from these failures.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br><br>Marcos<br><a href="http://pangaia.sf.net" target="_blank">pangaia.sf.net</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">views very welcome,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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Date: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM<br>Subject: Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link.<br>To: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br>
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"The article, "The Political Economy of Peer Production," by Michael Bauwens, advocates a supposedly new form of economic organization based on peer-to-peer networking. This social-network, flat, non-hierarchical system of production is anticipated in the political and economic philosophy of syndicalism, dating pack to 1895.
Syndicalism is a system of organization of the means of production which seeks to replace free enterprise capitalism (US) and state capitalism (China) with co-operative, voluntary federations of democratically-organized and administered trade unions. Mutual aid, self-organization, and self-administration are among the means and goals of syndicalism.
In other words, the first three "requirements"in this article, technological infrastructure that operates on peer-to-peer processes, alternative information and communication systems, software infrastructure, to the degree that they are requirements at all, in no way require computers or computer networks!
The article attempts to graft the author's (perhaps un-self-aware) syndicalist political views onto the development process of the Internet and Free Software projects. In fact, the most successful of these, such as the Internet under Jon Postel, the Free Software Foundation under Richard Stallman, One Laptop per Child under Nicholas Negroponte, and Linux kernel maintenance under Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton, have been what might more accurately described as "benign dictatorships" than syndicalist or peer-to-peer in nature.
"An injury to one is an injury to all."
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