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looking forward to your final proposal ...

I'm guessing that when desperate anger takes over, everything looking
commercial and institutional, is a target ...

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Cubitt S.R. <S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> I hadn't heard that: there have been protests over library closures, not
> only form the well-read but as community drop-in centre, homeless shelter,
> place for elderly to keep warm and read the paper. Levels of literacy in the
> affected boroughs are appalling. I'm reworking my book on eco-critique
> outwards in an attempt to include those kinds of environment: the economic
> failure is half a story whose other side is the abandonment of the
> relatively newly created underclass (really a Thatcher invention) by all
> political parties – including the greens and all but a handful of ultraleft
> groups
>
> gangs are the only educational force framed for these circumstances.
>
> Perhaps libraries burn as one of the few local services offering some sort
> of alternative (or perhaps the Schadenfreude of banned rowdies? In the fog
> of war  . . .  I blogged "Now is not the time for action; now is the time
> for talk" but there's very little – and will be less with Cameron's hatred
> of any education or research other than STEM
> (science-technology-engineering-medecine)
>
> Which gets me neatly back to clearing my desk so I can write the bid on
> Monday in such a way as to sneak our research in under a neoliberal CFP (nil
> desperandum: if AHRC like it they will help sell to the politicians as
> needed: first steps first: the square circle of P2P culture with often far
> more staid busniess school colleagues
>
> S
>
> PS reading the edition of ephemera on digital labour (also a good piece in
> an earlier issue on universities) - may add a strand of that to the bid
> http://www.ephemeraweb.org/journal/10-3/10-3index.htm
>
> S
>
>
>
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>>
> Reply-To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models
> in the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org>>
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:47:53 +0100
> To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models in
> the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Centre] Work in the bid
>
> hi sean,
>
> I also read that in London, some local libraries were targetted ....
>
> Michel
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Cubitt S.R. <S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk
> <mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Her refelction: "If they bomb us, our literacy campaigns must be having
> some effect".
>
> Wish we could say the same of lessons of the riots: the only shop untouched
> on Clpaham High Street: Waterstones the bookshop
>
> S
>
>
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>>>
> Reply-To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models
> in the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org
> <mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org>>>
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:28:40 +0100
> To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models in
> the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org
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> Subject: Re: [Centre] Work in the bid
>
> we're back on track on the 'overdo' dept ... wow, to still be working in
> places like afghanistan
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Cubitt S.R. <S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk
> <mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> That would be great Michel
>
> Very sorry to hear you've been unell. I was momentarily distracted: a
> friend recently started at the British Council and was due to be in Kabul,
> where their compaund was bombed overnight: insh'allah, she's fine. But the
> reality checks are everywhere. Keep well, and don't pver do it!!
> sean
>
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>>>>
> Reply-To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models
> in the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
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> ><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
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> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:10:53 +0100
> To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models in
> the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org
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> ><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
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> Cc: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com><mailto:
> lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com>><mailto:
> lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com><mailto:lifesized at gmail.com
> <mailto:lifesized at gmail.com>>>>
> Subject: Re: [Centre] Work in the bid
>
> if you want me to eventually check and comment on the text, do let me know,
> I have opportunity either before 25 or after august 30 ..
>
> Michel
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Cubitt S.R. <S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk
> <mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>>>> wrote:
> excellent: I'll point towards the international range of scholars involved;
> and it looks like the cooperative venture shd be fine as mutual benefit.
> Diana is the whizz at fixing legal things, and Nikki who she's asked to look
> at it will be able to assess how we can cover costs at the very least (
>
> Thanks too for the comments on my v. untutored draft -  I'll incorporate /
> replace my rants, and get a draft done if not on Monday then by Wednesday –
> after that I'm incommunicado more r less walking from winchester to
> canterbury for about 10 days
>
> sean
>
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
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> michel at p2pfoundation.net><mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net<mailto:
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>>>>>
> Reply-To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models
> in the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
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> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:42:14 +0100
> To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models in
> the Creative Economy <p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:
> p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org><mailto:p2p-centre at lists.ourproject.org
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> Cc: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com><mailto:
> lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com>><mailto:
> lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com><mailto:lifesized at gmail.com
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> lifesized at gmail.com<mailto:lifesized at gmail.com>>>>>
> Subject: Re: [Centre] Work in the bid
>
> Thanks for sharing the details,
>
> so essentially we are a nonprofit 'foundation' under dutch law, recognized
> by the EU,
>
> and we also have a legal Dutch coop that is associated with it, whenever a
> 'private' partner is required,
>
> the Association of P2P Researchers has no legal existence, and has not yet
> been formally launched, though it reflects the reality of a network of
> interested researchers,
>
> Michel
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Cubitt S.R. <S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk
> <mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>>><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk><mailto:S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk>>>>> wrote:
> Hi Franco and colleagues
>
>
> I will be discussingthis with members of the Southampton research office
> shortly - basically they have asked me - as the only person not on leave -
> to draft an expression of interest. This will have to be quite open: we
> must involve other interest groups in the university; and there may be
> constraints on links with other UK institutions
>
> On the positive side, we are near fixing a public debate between Lawrence
> Lessig and Ian Hargreaves, the author of the Digital Britain report that
> started al this
>
>
>
> Here are Diana Galpin's notes; followed by her response to my suggestion
> that Volker might be the director. I need to know the legal standing of
> P2P (registered charoty / trust / not-for-profit / country/ies of
> incirporation etc for these pruposes; also Volker I am presuming you are
> freelance for these purposes: can you send me a CV
>
> I have a skype conference with the admin team this morning at 11.30/12 BST
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> Wednesday, 17 August 2011 14:06
>
> Sounds a good result. We do need to be careful about what and how much we
> expect P2P to do as from the looks of things they are an international
> organisation. Now that is fine but we may not be able to flow grant monies
> to them..
>
> Niki P checked with AHRC and their response was that an international
> company could participate in Œmutually beneficial¹ hub based activities
> that were badged under the heading of Œinternational cooperation¹ and paid
> for using the grant.  The reciprocity would arise from the fact  the
> company might be making a contribution to the project (indirectly) through
> their participation and bringing new knowledge/expertise into the arena.
> However, it would not be possible to pay an international company for
> other goods and services or enter into a contracting/sub-contracting
> relationship on a one-to-one basis using AHRC grant monies.
>
> Of course that was with respect to them being a companyŠ are they? Before
> we can get definitive advice from AHRC can you confirm what type of
> organisation they are and in what capacity you would expect them to be
> involved?
>
> If you are going ahead with a telecom probably worth including Nikki
> Matthews as she probably has most capacity to provide the RIS support to
> you at the moment.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Diana
>
>
> Diana Galpin
> Senior Legal Adviser
> Research & Innovation Services
> Direct Tel: 023 8059 8673
> Mobile: 07979852362
> Fax: 023 8059 8671
> www.southampton.ac.uk/business<http://www.southampton.ac.uk/business><
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>
> Wednesday, 17 August 2011 14:49
>
>
> Sean
>
> Careful on the automatic ³employ Volker as a director² front being your
> easy fix as any role would need to be advertised externally following
> usual University of Southampton HR and recruitment policiesŠ I am also not
> entirely sure whether due to limitations on our insurance, health & safety
> risks & complexities of then having to adopt local employment laws etc
> that we would employ someone to be permanently based overseas
>
> Sorry not trying to put barriers in the way but help guide you to what is
> possible/not!
>
> KR
> DIana
>
>
>
> >
>
>
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