[JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9

Sat Oct 29 15:07:59 CEST 2016

Hi Peter, Willi, all

This is an old discussion so I will summarise the main arguments:

The clear benefit of having a central archived forum such as a list vs many separate comments on articles, blog posts, social media etc is that a list is "push media": everyone interested in the journal gets it, you don't need to search content out and risk missing anything.

Moreover, I don't believe we are under any obligation to provide an open platform to anyone in our journal. As I see it, we are aiming to present persuasive and well-thought out ideas about P2P, and we debate collectively how best to achieve this goal on lists. Now, if someone wants to debate with an author, they can do so on this list, or do it privately, and then it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether they wanted to include an addendum to their article (for ex), or write another article.

Otherwise we are essentially imposing a perspective on authors, who may not wish to have to respond to all and sundry who make critical comments. For example personally I would not like it if someone made comments such as the ones at the end of the blog post linked to below to a JoPP article, as they are not respectful and it would be embarrassing for the author:

https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/discussion-a-critique-of-left-politics/2014/03/28

Opening all articles to comments would probably require moderation, a time-consuming activity. So, what I'm trying to say is that genuine, substantial discussion should of course be encouraged but that there needs to be mechanisms for this discussion to be freely agreed to by both sides - not imposed.

cheers,

Mathieu

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From: JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces at lists.ourproject.org> on behalf of Dr. Peter Troxler <trox at fabfolk.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 21:40
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Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9

Dear Willy and all

@Willy: are you referring to the peerproduction.NET<http://peerproduction.NET> site or the peerproduction.ORG<http://peerproduction.ORG> site?
Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ...<http://peerproduction.org/>
peerproduction.org
Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into view of candidates ...

The Journal of Peer Production<http://peerproduction.net/>
peerproduction.net
Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production. The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from researchers and practitioners of peer production.

@all:
I'd be happy to allow discussion on articles via the site, too. I'd be happy to receive pointers / experiences with FLOSS systems ...

/ Peter

On 29 Oct 2016, at 00:44, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com<mailto:willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Mathieu,

many thanks for your answers. I was waiting more and i don't like to break your very good discussion about licence. Maxigas say very clear" the best copyright is the dead copyright. And you have to recognice, that the first step for every licence is the privatisation. The totally exclusion of others. Independent, if you use the knowledge of others for your work.

Yes, I'm a bit disappointed about your answer. I don't understand that you don't create a space for relection of the texts in your journal. It is not a question of Journal or Blog. It is more a question of our responsibility for that, what we do. Your seperation is fictitious. Of course, we can create every form of fiction in our head.

The result seems to be, that this list is the only place, where the readers of this journal texts can discuss and reflect the texts? And if i want to start a discussion about Alternative Internets i can do this only in this list?

For me, this is unbelievable.

many greetings, willi
Asuncion, Paraguay

2016-10-17 22:08 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au<mailto:mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>>:

Hi Willi, all

This list is pretty quiet at the moment. There have not been theoretical discussions for a while, it's mostly used to advertise releases, coordinate actions, launch or evaluate initiatives, etc.

However if you have a substantive point about (a) specific article(s) you are welcome to post it here, and if authors or other subscribers are interested they might respond.

cheers

Mathieu

PS. This is a journal, released biannully, not a blog: that's why it's called 'the Journal of Peer Production' - not 'the Blog of Peer Production'.

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From: JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces at lists.ourproject.org<mailto:jopp-public-bounces at lists.ourproject.org>> on behalf of willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com<mailto:willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:08
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Subject: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9

Dear friends,

i am new on this list. I want to discuss with you and the authors of
the texts some principles for telecommunication and internet. Mostly
oriented to the basic terms, structures and functions.

In the blog www.peerproduction.org<http://www.peerproduction.org/> i don't find a comment function.
Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ...<http://www.peerproduction.org/>
www.peerproduction.org<http://www.peerproduction.org/>
Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into view of candidates ...

Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where
we can connect to the authors?

many greetings, willi
actual: Asuncion, Paraguay

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