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<p>Hi Peter, Willi, all</p>
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<p>This is an old discussion so I will summarise the main arguments:</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">The clear benefit of </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">having a
central archived forum such as a list vs <span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">many separate comments on articles,
blog posts, social media etc is that a list is "push media": everyone interested in the journal gets it, you don't need to search content out and risk missing anything.</span></span><br>
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<p>Moreover, I don't believe we are under any obligation to provide an open platform to anyone in our journal. As I see it, we are aiming to present persuasive and well-thought out ideas about P2P, and we debate collectively how best to achieve this goal on
lists. Now, if someone wants to debate with an author, they can do so on this list, or do it privately, and then it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether they wanted to include an addendum to their article (for ex), or write another article.</p>
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<p>Otherwise we are essentially imposing a perspective on a<span style="font-size: 12pt;">uthors, who may not wish to have to respond to all and sundry who make critical comments. For example personally I would not like it if someone made comments such as the
ones at the end of the blog post linked to below to a JoPP article, as they are not respectful and it would be embarrassing for the author:</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/discussion-a-critique-of-left-politics/2014/03/28" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk213142" previewremoved="true">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/discussion-a-critique-of-left-politics/2014/03/28</a><br>
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a time-consuming activity. </span>So, what I'm trying to say is that genuine, substantial discussion should of course be encouraged but that there needs to be mechanisms for this discussion to be freely agreed to by both sides - not imposed. </p>
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<p>cheers,</p>
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<div class="">I'd be happy to allow discussion on articles via the site, too. I'd be happy to receive pointers / experiences with FLOSS systems ...</div>
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<div class="">On 29 Oct 2016, at 00:44, willi uebelherr <<a href="mailto:willi.uebelherr@gmail.com" class="">willi.uebelherr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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many thanks for your answers. I was waiting more and i don't like to break your very good discussion about licence. Maxigas say very clear" the best copyright is the dead copyright. And you have to recognice, that the first step for every licence is the privatisation.
The totally exclusion of others. Independent, if you use the knowledge of others for your work.<br class="">
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en">Yes, I'm a bit disappointed about your answer. I don't understand that you don't create a space for relection of the texts in your journal. It is not a question of Journal or Blog.
It is more a question of our responsibility for that, what we do. Your seperation is
</span><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="">fictitious</span></span>. Of course, we can create every form of fiction in our head.<br class="">
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en">The result seems to be, that this list is the only place, where the readers of this journal texts can discuss and reflect the texts? And if i want to start a discussion about</span>
Alternative Internets i can do this only in this list?<br class="">
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en">For me, this is unbelievable.<br class="">
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en">many greetings, willi<br class="">
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en">Asuncion, Paraguay<br class="">
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<p class="">Hi Willi, all</p>
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<p class="">This list is pretty quiet at the moment. There have not been theoretical discussions for a while, it's mostly used to advertise releases, coordinate actions, launch or evaluate <span class="" style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols; font-size:16px">initiatives,
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you are welcome to post it here, and if authors or other subscribers are interested they might respond.</span></p>
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that's why it's called 'the Journal of Peer Production' - not 'the Blog of Peer Production'.<span class="" style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols; font-size:16px"></span></p>
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www.peerproduction.org</a> i don't find a comment function.
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Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where<br class="">
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actual: Asuncion, Paraguay<br class="">
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