[PeDAGoG] CORE (Curriculum Open-access Resources in Economics)

Tue Jun 28 00:35:27 CEST 2022

Hi Christine,

Many languages have terms about the economy and economic activity, but we
do not pay attention.

Some links that might be useful, because I work on this question for many
years now
https://www.academia.edu/2330013/Economic_activity_in_Greece_without_official_currency_The_terms_and_their_economies
its summary https://www.academia.edu/4071931/Terms_and_their_economies_2013

 a study about Cretan language-dialect and non-monetary economics
https://www.academia.edu/7009373/Cretan_Terms_for_non_monetary_transactions

this is an experimental study concerning terms related to collective land
management management
https://www.academia.edu/37466687/Moires_and_Miri_lands_Some_linguistic_coincidences_and_a_discussion_about_land_ownership

this one who is to be published soon as a paper, showing that language
contains not only other economic ideas but also history we miss in official
records.
https://www.academia.edu/38064996/Many_languages_in_one_economy_or_many_economies_in_one_language

And this is the general approach through which I turned to use languages in
economic research.
https://www.academia.edu/43517939/What_is_Grassroots_Economics

In general, giving up languages, dialects, or even slang to think about the
economy is not a mistake of the "economy" but ours.
Finally, a clarification: English language as such is not to blame, this is
a people's creation and has more anticapitalist information than mainstream
economic theory wants us to know. It is a certain class of people who
turned the word economy into what we abhor today.
Solidarity,
Irene

Στις Δευ 27 Ιουν 2022 στις 10:28 μ.μ., ο/η Christine Dann <
christine at horomaka.org> έγραψε:

> Thanks, Irene - this is really helpful. Could you give us the links to the
> writings you refer to, so that we can get there faster?
>
> Do you think it is possible to rescue 'economics' from the English abuse
> of the word, or should we be looking at finding a new word or words to mean
> the use and sharing of resources within our Home, which is Earth?
>
> Christine
>
> On 27/06/22 21:10, Irene Sotiropoulou wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> Many apologies, i will not enter the discussion about economics as such
> because i have enough material online for anyone who wants to have a look
> whether we can have economic knowledge that does not harm humans and
> nature.
> Two notes about the greek words, though, just to make sure that if you
> want to discuss etymologies, you do it properly:
> paidagogos. Pais=child, can be a girl or boy. In modern Greek we also have
> "to paidi" which is gender neutral. Agogos= from ago verb, means leading,
> guiding, doing by action. Paidagogos=also can be a woman or a man, means
> the person who gives agogi (culture and good manners) to children. The
> emphasis both in ancient and modern Greek is on cultural and social aspects
> of education, not just giving information in terms of formal knowledge. We
> use all those words today and paidagogiki (the art-science of paidagogos)
> is not just teaching things to be certified in a degree but more than that.
>
> Oikonomia - economy. Nothing to do with the english ab-use of the word.
> Oikos=house in its extended form, i.e. not only the residence but the whole
> estate for a household. It also means family, in its extended form. Nomi-a,
> from verb nemo=sharing, using something. Nomos=law, i.e. rules about
> sharing and using resources. Oikonomia=sharing and using resources within
> oikos, creating rules about this sharing.
> I have written about this already, you may find the writings online.
> Have a nice day,
> Irene
>
>
>
> Στις Κυρ 26 Ιουν 2022 στις 3:26 μ.μ., ο/η Steven J. Klees <sklees at umd.edu>
> έγραψε:
>
>> As someone schooled in neoclassical economics, I find both its neoliberal
>> and liberal variants bankrupt.  I find alternative approaches to economics
>> most significant in what is being done in economics in practice by groups
>> like GTA and others, as I have said in this blog:
>>
>> https://evonomics.com/klees-neoclassical-economics-failed-what-comes-next/
>>
>> There have been interesting attempts to break free of the neoclassical
>> straightjacket in approaches like ecological economics and feminist
>> economics, but too often they don't really break free.  However, sometimes
>> under the label "political economy" you have true alternatives that start
>> with the bankruptcy of capitalism ("political economy" is also used by the
>> right).  The World Economics Association takes a "heterodox" stance (in
>> opposition to "orthodox" economics which is another term for neoclassical)
>> and publishes a list of alternative texts, some of which offer more
>> sensible approaches to economics:
>>
>>
>> https://www.worldeconomicsassociation.org/textbook-commentaries/alternative-texts/
>>
>> Best,
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 6:38 AM Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari at riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is interesting, friends. Though, does it not depend on what
>>> definition of 'economics' we are accepting as legitimate? Its original
>>> meaning (from 'oikos' ... and therefore also linked to ecology) is
>>> 'management of the home' ... so if ecology is put at the base
>>> ('understanding the home') and we relate to the Earth our home in ways that
>>> reflect a deep understanding, is that not something humans have been doing
>>> forever?
>>>
>>> So, do we accept the modernist westernised version of 'economics', or
>>> the much broader, deeper meaning of it ... do we discard it totally because
>>> it is badly corrupted/co-opted, or do we rescue it? This relates to one of
>>> my favourite pre-occupations, of understanding original meanings of words,
>>> and seeing if there is subversive/revolutionary potential in rescuing them,
>>> or are they so inextricably embedded in the system we are fighting against,
>>> that its best to abandon them and find alternatives? An eminently
>>> 'pedagogical' quest, I suppose.
>>>
>>> And in that spirit, note that the term 'pedagogy', at least according to
>>> my laptop's inbuilt dictionary, comes from a v. dubious origin: "late Middle
>>> English: via Latin from Greek paidagōgos, denoting a slave who
>>> accompanied a child to school (from pais, paid- ‘boy’ + agōgos ‘guide’)."
>>> I found this out to my utter chagrin *after *having suggested PeDAGoG
>>> (Post-Development Academic-Activist Global Group) as the acronym for this
>>> network!  So in this case, its not about rescuing the original meaning, but
>>> giving it a new, v. different, one! But sorry, let this observation not
>>> distract from the main topic of conversation here ... whether economics
>>> should or should not be in curricula, and it is should, waht should be its
>>> contours/substance (and *not *going further here into whether formal
>>> curricula should exist in the first place :):)
>>>
>>> ashish
>>> 
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>>> On 26/06/22 2:08 pm, Aram Ziai wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I agree and wanted to point out that Escobar has described already in 95
>>> economics as a cultural discourse imagining itself to be a science... but
>>> also that the 'problem' of population growth is usually focusing on poor
>>> people in the South (who use far far less resources and emit far far less
>>> CO2 than the global middle class) and of course on women (whose right to
>>> control their body is compromised) thus has racist and sexist elements.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Aram
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25.06.22 22:37, Christine Dann wrote:
>>>
>>> Kia ora tatou
>>>
>>> I wonder if it is possible for *any* economics curriculum to be
>>> satisfactory. In Bruno Latour's view (see the quotes from* After
>>> Lockdown Metamorphosis*, 2021, below) 'economics'  is an invention
>>> which has been and is still imposed with force. It obscures reality at
>>> best, and destroys it at worst.
>>>
>>> It was interesting to see in the philanthropy article which Christian
>>> provided the link to that 'philanthropy' now includes creating
>>> pro-capitalist propaganda. This reinforces Latour's point that a lot of
>>> work has gone and continues to go into creating the pseudo-reality of
>>> 'economics' and the Economy. It can be 'soft' work, like the creation of
>>> 'philanthropic' propaganda; or 'hard' work, like the murder of indigenous
>>> people and their supporters trying to prevent further 'economic' extraction
>>> of the life of their lands, and the minerals beneath them.
>>>
>>> It is still heretical these days to say that the Economy is not real,
>>> and we should focus on what is, and stop aiming to grow the Economy until
>>> it has devoured the Earth and all on it. It has been heretical for 50 years
>>> now, since the *Limits to Growth* report was published in 1972, and a
>>> very small new party in a very small new-ish state (the New Zealand Values
>>> Party) put out an election manifesto with two key policies - Zero Economic
>>> Growth and Zero Population Growth. I don't know of any political party
>>> which has been so bold since - and you probably all know the connections
>>> between economic and population growth and how problematic both are these
>>> days. Also the connections with fossil fuel extraction and use.
>>>
>>> If I were a teenager today and had a choice between studying economics
>>> in a classroom or learning gardening in a community garden, I know what the
>>> smart choice would be.
>>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> p 59 “This time round, it’s not just a matter of improving, changing,
>>> greening or revolutionising the ‘economic’ system, but of *completely
>>> doing without the Economy.*”
>>>
>>> p 60 “*Homo oeconomicus *has nothing native, natural or autochthonous
>>> about him, as we’ve long known. Strictly speaking, he comes from on high … *from
>>> the top down*, and not at all from ordinary practical experience, *from
>>> the ground up*, from the relationships that lifeforms maintain with
>>> other lifeforms.”
>>>
>>> p 60 “For the Economy to expand … as the bedrock of all possible life on
>>> earth, an enormous amount of infrastructure building is required to impose
>>> it as an obvious fact against the dogged resistance put up by the most
>>> common experience in reaction to such violent colonisation.”
>>>
>>> p 61 [Without this infrastructure] “no one would ever have invented
>>> ‘individuals’ capable of a selfishness drastic enough, constant enough,
>>> consistent enough to not ‘owe anyone anything’ and to see all others as
>>> ‘aliens’ and all life forms as ‘resources’. Beneath the evidence of a
>>> native, primal Economy lie three centuries of economisation….” [this
>>> preliminary embedding requires extreme violence]
>>>
>>> p 62 [In order not to stay in the economisation trap, the way out
>>> proposed by Duzan Kazik] “… consists in *never agreeing* to say of any
>>> subject whatever that ‘it has an economic dimension’! Bowing to that
>>> dimension … always boils down to suggesting that, on the one hand, there is
>>> a profound, essential, vital reality – the economic situation – but that on
>>> the other hand, we could nonetheless, if we had the time, take ‘other
>>> dimensions’ into account – social, moral, political dimensions and even,
>>> why not, if there’s anything left over, an ‘ecological dimension’… Well,
>>> reasoning accordingly means giving the Economy a material reality it
>>> doesn’t have, and lending a hand to a power that trickles down from on
>>> high.”
>>>
>>> pp 74 - 75 “As soon as you describe a territory the right way round, you
>>> feel in your bones why the Economy could not be realistic or materialistic
>>> …. Embracing the Economy means interrupting the resumption of interactions
>>> by inventing beings who won’t have to account for themselves on the pretext
>>> that they’re autonomous individuals whose limits are protected by an
>>> exclusive right of ownership.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/06/22 06:21, Steven J. Klees wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Christian,
>>>
>>> The CORE curriculum is an improvement over standard approaches in
>>> economics departments but it is fundamentally neoclassical.  It moves away
>>> from neoliberalism but is firmly ensconced in a liberal view of markets and
>>> capitalism.  Putting lipstick on a pig is, to me, an appropriate
>>> characterization.  Check out the attached New Yorker article.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 12:58 PM Christian Stalberg <
>>> cstalberg at mymail.ciis.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sharing this resource. Would love to hear reactions. My kneejerk
>>>> response was that this is simply putting lipstick on a pig (the pig being
>>>> the systemic structural violence of capitalism).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.core-econ.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> …oh and if you would like to know where this initiative got its start,
>>>> read this
>>>>
>>>> https://www.philanthropy.com/article/thinking-anew-about-capitalism
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance for your interest and attention!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __
>>>>
>>>> Christian Stalberg
>>>>
>>>> Doctoral Student
>>>>
>>>> Anthropology & Social Change
>>>>
>>>> CIIS, San Francisco, CA
>>>>
>>>> *"I am no longer accepting the things I cannot change. I am changing
>>>> the things I cannot accept." - Angela Davis*
>>>>
>>>> *“What is it that we can do that addresses whatever the problem is,
>>>> rather than what it is that we’re trying to get somebody else to do.” –
>>>> Alice Lynd*
>>>>
>>>> *“**It’s better to die for an idea that is going to live than to live
>>>> for an idea that is going to die.” – Steve Biko*
>>>>
>>>> *“We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable – but so did the
>>>> divine right of kings.” - Ursula K. Le Guin*
>>>>
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