[P2P-es] idioma de la lista

Ramón Ramón Sánchez ramon en ramonramon.org
Mie Mayo 14 02:21:15 CEST 2014


Completamente de acuerdo contigo, por eso me entristece perderme tanta 
información interesante en esta lista porque no esté en castellano. Es 
más, estoy convencido que algunos de los proyectos que citáis deben ser 
superinteresantes, pero lamentablemente no entiendo nada :(
Saludos cordiales y muchas gracias una vez más.
El 13/05/14 19:14, Michel Bauwens escribió:
> no pienso que es necessario, hay multiples listes en ingles sobre este 
> tema, pero no hay sufficiente listas en castellano con un focus 
> specifico sobre 'p2p' ..
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez 
> <ramon en ramonramon.org <mailto:ramon en ramonramon.org>> wrote:
>
>     Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo
>     perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en
>     esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una
>     para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí
>     la pregunta.
>     Gracias por el esfuerzo
>
>     El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>     <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>> escribió:
>
>         y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo
>         minimamente en esta lista <g>
>
>
>         On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez
>         <ramon en ramonramon.org <mailto:ramon en ramonramon.org>> wrote:
>
>             Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi
>             idioma natal es el único que entiendo :(  y con cuerts
>             fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la
>             valiosa información que comentáis.
>             Saludos
>
>             El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens"
>             <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>             <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>> escribió:
>
>                 por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y
>                 frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi
>                 espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
>
>
>                 On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez
>                 <ramon en ramonramon.org <mailto:ramon en ramonramon.org>>
>                 wrote:
>
>                     Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el
>                     retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido
>                     por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el
>                     asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas
>                     había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es
>                     el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de
>                     ahí mi despiste.
>                     Saludos y gracias,
>                      RAMON
>
>                     PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email
>                     El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
>>                     Ramón:
>>
>>                     Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al
>>                     español del documento principal de FLOK Society,
>>                     y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda
>>                     porque es su idioma natal.
>>
>>                     Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de
>>                     los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
>>
>>
>>                     On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez
>>                     <ramon en ramonramon.org
>>                     <mailto:ramon en ramonramon.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                         Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una
>>                         tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo
>>                         existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me
>>                         temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en
>>                         lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy
>>                         limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de
>>                         que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo
>>                         en la que puedo entender.
>>                         Saludos
>>
>>                         Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad
>>                         y posibles faltas ortográficas
>>
>>                         El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens"
>>                         <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>                         <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>> escribió:
>>
>>                             Dear Jorge,
>>
>>                             I try to keep track of updates on the
>>                             coordination effort here, see
>>
>>                             http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
>>
>>                             This is what is says:
>>
>>                             We have been informed that the
>>                             translation of this document to Spanish
>>                             is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and
>>                             there will be no workshops on the
>>                             document, and no special discussion of it
>>                             during the summit.
>>
>>                             We are therefore collecting a list of
>>                             volunteer translators, and listing them
>>                             here:
>>
>>                               * Natalie Baur
>>
>>                               * Mariangela Petrizzo
>>
>>                               * Ana Cristina Benalcazar
>>
>>                               * Santiago Roca
>>
>>                               * Ana Valdés
>>
>>
>>                             Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina
>>                             Benalcazar
>>
>>
>>                             Volunteer reviewers:
>>
>>                               * Emilio Velis
>>
>>                               * David Vila
>>
>>
>>                             Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
>>
>>
>>                             STATUS OF TRANSLATION
>>
>>
>>                             The english version of the document,
>>                             called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based
>>                             Society", is available for comment at
>>                             https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
>>
>>
>>                             Part of this document has been already
>>                             translated:
>>                             http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
>>                             <http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigaci%C3%B3n>
>>
>>
>>                             Please note that the Commons Transition
>>                             Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this
>>                             document. This is the priority for a full
>>                             translation.
>>
>>                             The english text has been loaded onto
>>                             pads by Emilio Velis:
>>
>>                              1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1
>>                              2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2
>>                              3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3
>>                              4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4
>>                              5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5
>>                              6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
>>
>>
>>
>>                             On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge
>>                             Toledo <jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com
>>                             <mailto:jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 So maybe it's better to make a call
>>                                 for translators first and then
>>                                 publish something about it, right?
>>                                 I'm already spreading the word.
>>
>>                                 jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
>>
>>
>>                                 2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel
>>                                 Bauwens <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>                                 <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>:
>>
>>                                     I'm really agnostic to the
>>                                     platform, whatever works better
>>                                     for the translators.
>>
>>                                     if you can update this
>>                                     http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
>>                                     with whatever decision, it would
>>                                     be great.
>>
>>                                     I repeat some of my concerns (I
>>                                     could not get into the pad) to
>>                                     avoid duplicate work:
>>
>>                                     * the translation concerns only
>>                                     sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full
>>                                     participatory version but only
>>                                     part of the wiki version)
>>
>>                                     * Andres has already translated
>>                                     substantial parts (see status link)
>>
>>                                     Michel
>>
>>
>>                                     On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM,
>>                                     Bruno Freitas <bfreitas en gmail.com
>>                                     <mailto:bfreitas en gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                         As a sugestion, there is the
>>                                         dotsub platform for translations.
>>
>>                                         And There is the
>>                                         https://webtranslateit.com/en
>>                                         Where the diaspora project is
>>                                         being translated..
>>
>>                                         Just thinking that maybe its
>>                                         time to set up a platform for
>>                                         other future translations...
>>
>>                                         Regards
>>
>>                                         Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio
>>                                         Velis"
>>                                         <contacto en emiliovelis.com
>>                                         <mailto:contacto en emiliovelis.com>>
>>                                         escreveu:
>>
>>                                             Do you prefer if we do
>>                                             the translation right
>>                                             into the Wiki? We also
>>                                             have the option of using
>>                                             Pads. I tried dividing
>>                                             the document into six
>>                                             parts to help the
>>                                             managing of the content
>>                                             and the process of reviewing:
>>
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5
>>                                             http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
>>
>>                                             This platform gets buggy
>>                                             sometimes but it may
>>                                             work. I'm already adding
>>                                             the translated bits so
>>                                             that we don't duplicated
>>                                             efforts.
>>
>>                                             After this, we need to
>>                                             call for help from our
>>                                             volunteers to finish it.
>>                                             Given the fact that
>>                                             practically a 30-40% of
>>                                             it seems translated, the
>>                                             whole document can be
>>                                             finished in a couple of
>>                                             days with enough help and
>>                                             then it can be reviewed
>>                                             in order to get a
>>                                             high-quality translation.
>>
>>
>>                                             On 6 May 2014 06:57,
>>                                             Michel Bauwens
>>                                             <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>                                             <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>
>>                                             wrote:
>>
>>                                                 we are making
>>                                                 substantial progress,
>>                                                 with Andres Delgado
>>                                                 having translated a
>>                                                 substantial portion,
>>                                                 see
>>                                                 http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
>>
>>
>>                                                 David Vila is helping
>>                                                 to coordinate the
>>                                                 translation effort
>>                                                 internally, and is in cc,
>>
>>                                                 Michel
>>
>>
>>                                                 On Tue, May 6, 2014
>>                                                 at 3:51 AM, Agustin
>>                                                 Baeza
>>                                                 <agustin.baeza en gmail.com
>>                                                 <mailto:agustin.baeza en gmail.com>>
>>                                                 wrote:
>>
>>                                                     Hi everyone. I´m
>>                                                     not very
>>                                                     experimented in
>>                                                     working in
>>                                                     collaborative
>>                                                     issues, but I´m
>>                                                     joined to the
>>                                                     effort of
>>                                                     translating. So,
>>                                                     just waiting for
>>                                                     the start time...
>>
>>                                                     Agustín
>>                                                     El 06/05/2014, a
>>                                                     las 00:13, Michel
>>                                                     Bauwens
>>                                                     <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>                                                     <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>
>>                                                     escribió:
>>
>>>                                                     Dear Emilio,
>>>
>>>                                                     this version
>>>                                                     could be used to
>>>                                                     have (sub/title
>>>                                                     to sub/title
>>>                                                     pieces),
>>>                                                     http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>
>>>                                                     3 micro-pieces
>>>                                                     have been given
>>>                                                     to volunteer
>>>                                                     translators,
>>>                                                     i.e. until, but
>>>                                                     not included
>>>
>>>                                                     http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical_Capitalism_based_on_the_control_of_networked_platforms
>>>
>>>                                                     if you know of
>>>                                                     any translation
>>>                                                     platform that is
>>>                                                     better, that is
>>>                                                     of course fine
>>>                                                     for me,
>>>
>>>                                                     Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                     On Mon, May 5,
>>>                                                     2014 at 4:00 PM,
>>>                                                     Emilio Velis
>>>                                                     <contacto en emiliovelis.com
>>>                                                     <mailto:contacto en emiliovelis.com>>
>>>                                                     wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                         Alright, so
>>>                                                         maybe
>>>                                                         tonight we
>>>                                                         can separate
>>>                                                         the document
>>>                                                         in pieces
>>>                                                         and post
>>>                                                         them online.
>>>                                                         We can
>>>                                                         gather
>>>                                                         people to
>>>                                                         participate
>>>                                                         during the
>>>                                                         following
>>>                                                         week and
>>>                                                         work on it
>>>                                                         to have it
>>>                                                         finished in
>>>                                                         two weeks,
>>>                                                         hopefully.
>>>
>>>                                                         I think
>>>                                                         we'll need
>>>                                                         to start
>>>                                                         another line
>>>                                                         of emails
>>>                                                         with this
>>>                                                         info in
>>>                                                         Spanish to
>>>                                                         draw
>>>                                                         attention to
>>>                                                         those
>>>                                                         colleagues
>>>                                                         who may have
>>>                                                         overlooked
>>>                                                         this email
>>>                                                         for it being
>>>                                                         in English.
>>>                                                         Even if
>>>                                                         people on
>>>                                                         this list
>>>                                                         don't have
>>>                                                         experience
>>>                                                         as
>>>                                                         translators
>>>                                                         they can
>>>                                                         certainly
>>>                                                         help
>>>                                                         (translation
>>>                                                         on a
>>>                                                         collaborative environment
>>>                                                         requires
>>>                                                         more hands
>>>                                                         and less
>>>                                                         expertise)
>>>                                                         or they can
>>>                                                         help us
>>>                                                         spread the
>>>                                                         word to find
>>>                                                         people
>>>                                                         interested
>>>                                                         in helping.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                         On 5 May
>>>                                                         2014 14:21,
>>>                                                         Michel
>>>                                                         Bauwens
>>>                                                         <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                         <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>
>>>                                                         wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                             hi
>>>                                                             emilio,
>>>                                                             great to
>>>                                                             have you
>>>                                                             as a
>>>                                                             reviewer,
>>>
>>>                                                             for the
>>>                                                             moment
>>>                                                             to view
>>>                                                             volunteers
>>>                                                             to do it
>>>                                                             in time,
>>>                                                             but in
>>>                                                             any case
>>>                                                             a
>>>                                                             reviewer
>>>                                                             will be
>>>                                                             essential for
>>>                                                             the
>>>                                                             final
>>>                                                             version
>>>
>>>                                                             and
>>>                                                             bruno,
>>>                                                             of
>>>                                                             course a
>>>                                                             Portuguese-language
>>>                                                             version
>>>                                                             would be
>>>                                                             great,
>>>                                                             and the
>>>                                                             deadline
>>>                                                             there
>>>                                                             would be
>>>                                                             much
>>>                                                             more
>>>                                                             relaxed,
>>>
>>>                                                             Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             On Mon,
>>>                                                             May 5,
>>>                                                             2014 at
>>>                                                             3:17 PM,
>>>                                                             Bruno
>>>                                                             Freitas
>>>                                                             <bfreitas en gmail.com
>>>                                                             <mailto:bfreitas en gmail.com>>
>>>                                                             wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                                 Do
>>>                                                                 you
>>>                                                                 guys
>>>                                                                 think/wish
>>>                                                                 to
>>>                                                                 translate
>>>                                                                 it
>>>                                                                 to
>>>                                                                 portuguese?
>>>                                                                 I
>>>                                                                 can
>>>                                                                 help
>>>                                                                 with it.
>>>
>>>                                                                 Regards
>>>
>>>                                                                 Em
>>>                                                                 05/05/2014
>>>                                                                 17:32,
>>>                                                                 "Bernardo
>>>                                                                 Gutiérrez"
>>>                                                                 <bernardobrasil en gmail.com
>>>                                                                 <mailto:bernardobrasil en gmail.com>>
>>>                                                                 escreveu:
>>>
>>>                                                                     Jorge,
>>>                                                                     emilio,
>>>                                                                     Michel
>>>
>>>                                                                     Let´s
>>>                                                                     do
>>>                                                                     it.
>>>                                                                     Pensemos
>>>                                                                     bien
>>>                                                                     y podemos
>>>                                                                     organizar
>>>                                                                     un
>>>                                                                     texto
>>>                                                                     republicable,
>>>                                                                     copypaste,
>>>                                                                     formado
>>>                                                                     colectivamente
>>>                                                                     por
>>>                                                                     P2P
>>>                                                                     List
>>>                                                                     o lo
>>>                                                                     que
>>>                                                                     sea.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                     Acá
>>>                                                                     estoy
>>>                                                                     para
>>>                                                                     lo
>>>                                                                     que
>>>                                                                     haga
>>>                                                                     falta
>>>                                                                     Bernardo
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                     2014-05-05
>>>                                                                     13:54
>>>                                                                     GMT-03:00
>>>                                                                     Emilio
>>>                                                                     Velis
>>>                                                                     <contacto en emiliovelis.com
>>>                                                                     <mailto:contacto en emiliovelis.com>>:
>>>
>>>                                                                         Or
>>>                                                                         we
>>>                                                                         just
>>>                                                                         paste
>>>                                                                         it
>>>                                                                         on
>>>                                                                         a PAD
>>>                                                                         and
>>>                                                                         organize
>>>                                                                         a translationsprint.
>>>                                                                         I've
>>>                                                                         done
>>>                                                                         it
>>>                                                                         before
>>>                                                                         and
>>>                                                                         it
>>>                                                                         can
>>>                                                                         be
>>>                                                                         finished
>>>                                                                         in
>>>                                                                         matter
>>>                                                                         of
>>>                                                                         hours.
>>>                                                                         I think
>>>                                                                         Bernardo
>>>                                                                         could
>>>                                                                         be
>>>                                                                         the
>>>                                                                         kind
>>>                                                                         of
>>>                                                                         person
>>>                                                                         to
>>>                                                                         organize
>>>                                                                         this
>>>                                                                         feat
>>>                                                                         in
>>>                                                                         matter
>>>                                                                         of
>>>                                                                         a short
>>>                                                                         amount
>>>                                                                         of
>>>                                                                         time
>>>                                                                         and
>>>                                                                         that
>>>                                                                         way
>>>                                                                         everyone
>>>                                                                         can
>>>                                                                         work
>>>                                                                         on
>>>                                                                         the
>>>                                                                         same
>>>                                                                         documents
>>>                                                                         at
>>>                                                                         the
>>>                                                                         same
>>>                                                                         time
>>>                                                                         and
>>>                                                                         at
>>>                                                                         their
>>>                                                                         own
>>>                                                                         pace.
>>>
>>>                                                                         Michel,
>>>                                                                         I'd
>>>                                                                         love
>>>                                                                         to
>>>                                                                         help
>>>                                                                         as
>>>                                                                         a reviewer/editor
>>>                                                                         for
>>>                                                                         the
>>>                                                                         text
>>>                                                                         to
>>>                                                                         finish
>>>                                                                         it
>>>                                                                         with
>>>                                                                         good
>>>                                                                         quality.
>>>                                                                         Let
>>>                                                                         me
>>>                                                                         know
>>>                                                                         what
>>>                                                                         you
>>>                                                                         think
>>>                                                                         of
>>>                                                                         the
>>>                                                                         idea!
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                         On
>>>                                                                         5 May
>>>                                                                         2014
>>>                                                                         10:08,
>>>                                                                         Michel
>>>                                                                         Bauwens
>>>                                                                         <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                         <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>
>>>                                                                         wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                                             ok,
>>>                                                                             great
>>>                                                                             jorge,
>>>                                                                             let
>>>                                                                             me
>>>                                                                             know!
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                             On
>>>                                                                             Mon,
>>>                                                                             May
>>>                                                                             5,
>>>                                                                             2014
>>>                                                                             at
>>>                                                                             10:30
>>>                                                                             AM,
>>>                                                                             Jorge
>>>                                                                             Toledo
>>>                                                                             <jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com
>>>                                                                             <mailto:jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com>>
>>>                                                                             wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                                                 Dear
>>>                                                                                 Michel
>>>
>>>                                                                                 That
>>>                                                                                 sounds
>>>                                                                                 good
>>>                                                                                 to
>>>                                                                                 me.
>>>                                                                                 I can
>>>                                                                                 work
>>>                                                                                 on
>>>                                                                                 an
>>>                                                                                 article
>>>                                                                                 introducing
>>>                                                                                 the
>>>                                                                                 whole
>>>                                                                                 project
>>>                                                                                 and
>>>                                                                                 then
>>>                                                                                 publish
>>>                                                                                 it
>>>                                                                                 together
>>>                                                                                 with
>>>                                                                                 a call
>>>                                                                                 for
>>>                                                                                 volunteer
>>>                                                                                 translators
>>>                                                                                 or,
>>>                                                                                 even
>>>                                                                                 better,
>>>                                                                                 a simple
>>>                                                                                 "how
>>>                                                                                 to
>>>                                                                                 get
>>>                                                                                 involved"
>>>                                                                                 guide.
>>>                                                                                 What
>>>                                                                                 do
>>>                                                                                 you
>>>                                                                                 think?
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                 I will
>>>                                                                                 go
>>>                                                                                 through
>>>                                                                                 the
>>>                                                                                 documentation
>>>                                                                                 you
>>>                                                                                 just
>>>                                                                                 linked
>>>                                                                                 here
>>>                                                                                 and
>>>                                                                                 I will
>>>                                                                                 let
>>>                                                                                 you
>>>                                                                                 know
>>>                                                                                 if
>>>                                                                                 I have
>>>                                                                                 any
>>>                                                                                 questions
>>>                                                                                 or
>>>                                                                                 need
>>>                                                                                 something
>>>                                                                                 else.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                 Best,
>>>
>>>                                                                                 jorge
>>>                                                                                 toledo
>>>                                                                                 | ecosistema
>>>                                                                                 urbano
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                 2014-05-05
>>>                                                                                 15:53
>>>                                                                                 GMT+02:00
>>>                                                                                 Michel
>>>                                                                                 Bauwens
>>>                                                                                 <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                 <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>:
>>>
>>>                                                                                     dear
>>>                                                                                     Jorge,
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                     at
>>>                                                                                     this
>>>                                                                                     stage,
>>>                                                                                     I would
>>>                                                                                     prefer
>>>                                                                                     to
>>>                                                                                     start
>>>                                                                                     in
>>>                                                                                     spanish,
>>>                                                                                     and
>>>                                                                                     to
>>>                                                                                     also
>>>                                                                                     appeal
>>>                                                                                     for
>>>                                                                                     volunteer
>>>                                                                                     translators,
>>>
>>>                                                                                     your
>>>                                                                                     help
>>>                                                                                     is
>>>                                                                                     much
>>>                                                                                     appreciated,
>>>                                                                                     tell
>>>                                                                                     me
>>>                                                                                     how
>>>                                                                                     I can
>>>                                                                                     help,
>>>
>>>                                                                                     Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                     On
>>>                                                                                     Mon,
>>>                                                                                     May
>>>                                                                                     5,
>>>                                                                                     2014
>>>                                                                                     at
>>>                                                                                     3:45
>>>                                                                                     AM,
>>>                                                                                     Jorge
>>>                                                                                     Toledo
>>>                                                                                     <jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com
>>>                                                                                     <mailto:jtg en ecosistemaurbano.com>>
>>>                                                                                     wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                                                         Thank
>>>                                                                                         you
>>>                                                                                         for
>>>                                                                                         the
>>>                                                                                         info,
>>>                                                                                         Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                         I'd
>>>                                                                                         love
>>>                                                                                         to
>>>                                                                                         publish
>>>                                                                                         something
>>>                                                                                         about
>>>                                                                                         it
>>>                                                                                         on
>>>                                                                                         www.ecosistemaurbano.org
>>>                                                                                         <http://www.ecosistemaurbano.org/>.
>>>                                                                                         I can
>>>                                                                                         do
>>>                                                                                         it
>>>                                                                                         in
>>>                                                                                         English
>>>                                                                                         or
>>>                                                                                         Spanish.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                         Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                         jorge
>>>                                                                                         toledo
>>>                                                                                         | ecosistema
>>>                                                                                         urbano
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                         2014-05-04
>>>                                                                                         16:37
>>>                                                                                         GMT+02:00
>>>                                                                                         Michel
>>>                                                                                         Bauwens
>>>                                                                                         <michel en p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                         <mailto:michel en p2pfoundation.net>>:
>>>
>>>                                                                                             dear
>>>                                                                                             friends,
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                             I woulld
>>>                                                                                             like
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             gather
>>>                                                                                             support
>>>                                                                                             for
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             publication
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             first
>>>                                                                                             integrated
>>>                                                                                             transition
>>>                                                                                             program
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             a commons-based
>>>                                                                                             society
>>>
>>>                                                                                             This
>>>                                                                                             transition
>>>                                                                                             plan
>>>                                                                                             was
>>>                                                                                             commissioned
>>>                                                                                             by
>>>                                                                                             Ecuador
>>>                                                                                             and
>>>                                                                                             will
>>>                                                                                             be
>>>                                                                                             accompanied
>>>                                                                                             by
>>>                                                                                             more
>>>                                                                                             than
>>>                                                                                             a dozen
>>>                                                                                             policy
>>>                                                                                             frameworks
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             enable
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             creation
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             open
>>>                                                                                             commons
>>>                                                                                             in
>>>                                                                                             every
>>>                                                                                             domain
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             social
>>>                                                                                             activity.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                             The
>>>                                                                                             main
>>>                                                                                             document
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             here,
>>>                                                                                             http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>                                                                                             (the
>>>                                                                                             first
>>>                                                                                             paragraph
>>>                                                                                             explains
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             institutional
>>>                                                                                             background
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             project)
>>>
>>>                                                                                             and
>>>                                                                                             this
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             a version
>>>                                                                                             that
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             open
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             commentary
>>>                                                                                             and
>>>                                                                                             participation:
>>>                                                                                             https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
>>>
>>>                                                                                             General
>>>                                                                                             info
>>>                                                                                             on
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             project
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             at
>>>                                                                                             floksociety.org
>>>                                                                                             <http://floksociety.org/>
>>>                                                                                             ; the
>>>                                                                                             policy
>>>                                                                                             proposals
>>>                                                                                             are
>>>                                                                                             here
>>>                                                                                             at
>>>                                                                                             (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
>>>
>>>                                                                                             I would
>>>                                                                                             really
>>>                                                                                             appreciate
>>>                                                                                             if
>>>                                                                                             you
>>>                                                                                             could
>>>                                                                                             spread
>>>                                                                                             this
>>>                                                                                             in
>>>                                                                                             your
>>>                                                                                             networks,
>>>                                                                                             as
>>>                                                                                             this
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             first
>>>                                                                                             example
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             its
>>>                                                                                             kind,
>>>
>>>                                                                                             The
>>>                                                                                             fight
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             far
>>>                                                                                             from
>>>                                                                                             over,
>>>                                                                                             and
>>>                                                                                             there
>>>                                                                                             is
>>>                                                                                             a distinct
>>>                                                                                             danger
>>>                                                                                             that
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             project
>>>                                                                                             would
>>>                                                                                             take
>>>                                                                                             a pragmatic
>>>                                                                                             turn
>>>                                                                                             around
>>>                                                                                             some
>>>                                                                                             token
>>>                                                                                             initiatives,
>>>                                                                                             while
>>>                                                                                             ignoring
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             cultural
>>>                                                                                             change
>>>                                                                                             that
>>>                                                                                             needs
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             take
>>>                                                                                             place
>>>                                                                                             around
>>>                                                                                             generative
>>>                                                                                             commons.
>>>                                                                                             A spanish
>>>                                                                                             translation
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             framework
>>>                                                                                             document
>>>                                                                                             has
>>>                                                                                             not
>>>                                                                                             yet
>>>                                                                                             been
>>>                                                                                             guaranteed.
>>>
>>>                                                                                             By
>>>                                                                                             spreading
>>>                                                                                             awareness
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             commons
>>>                                                                                             transition
>>>                                                                                             framework
>>>                                                                                             you
>>>                                                                                             would
>>>                                                                                             contribute
>>>                                                                                             to
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             awareness
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             context
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             proposed
>>>                                                                                             changes.
>>>
>>>                                                                                             Michel
>>>                                                                                             Bauwens,
>>>                                                                                             (FLOK
>>>                                                                                             research
>>>                                                                                             director)
>>>
>>>                                                                                             --
>>>
>>>                                                                                             *Please
>>>                                                                                             note
>>>                                                                                             an
>>>                                                                                             intrusion
>>>                                                                                             wiped
>>>                                                                                             out
>>>                                                                                             my
>>>                                                                                             inbox
>>>                                                                                             on
>>>                                                                                             February
>>>                                                                                             8;
>>>                                                                                             I have
>>>                                                                                             no
>>>                                                                                             record
>>>                                                                                             of
>>>                                                                                             previous
>>>                                                                                             communication,
>>>                                                                                             proposals,
>>>                                                                                             etc
>>>                                                                                             ..*
>>>
>>>                                                                                             P2P
>>>                                                                                             Foundation:
>>>                                                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                             <http://p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>                                                                                             - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                             <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                             Updates:
>>>                                                                                             http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>                                                                                             http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>>                                                                                             #82
>>>                                                                                             on
>>>                                                                                             the
>>>                                                                                             (En)Rich
>>>                                                                                             list:
>>>                                                                                             http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                             _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                                             Wiki:
>>>                                                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                                             Lista
>>>                                                                                             https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                         _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                                         Wiki:
>>>                                                                                         http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                                         Lista
>>>                                                                                         https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                     --
>>>
>>>                                                                                     *Please
>>>                                                                                     note
>>>                                                                                     an
>>>                                                                                     intrusion
>>>                                                                                     wiped
>>>                                                                                     out
>>>                                                                                     my
>>>                                                                                     inbox
>>>                                                                                     on
>>>                                                                                     February
>>>                                                                                     8;
>>>                                                                                     I have
>>>                                                                                     no
>>>                                                                                     record
>>>                                                                                     of
>>>                                                                                     previous
>>>                                                                                     communication,
>>>                                                                                     proposals,
>>>                                                                                     etc
>>>                                                                                     ..*
>>>
>>>                                                                                     P2P
>>>                                                                                     Foundation:
>>>                                                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                     <http://p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>                                                                                     - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                                     <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                     Updates:
>>>                                                                                     http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>                                                                                     http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>>                                                                                     #82
>>>                                                                                     on
>>>                                                                                     the
>>>                                                                                     (En)Rich
>>>                                                                                     list:
>>>                                                                                     http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                     _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                                     Wiki:
>>>                                                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                                     Lista
>>>                                                                                     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                                 _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                                 Wiki:
>>>                                                                                 http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                                 Lista
>>>                                                                                 https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                             --
>>>
>>>                                                                             *Please
>>>                                                                             note
>>>                                                                             an
>>>                                                                             intrusion
>>>                                                                             wiped
>>>                                                                             out
>>>                                                                             my
>>>                                                                             inbox
>>>                                                                             on
>>>                                                                             February
>>>                                                                             8;
>>>                                                                             I have
>>>                                                                             no
>>>                                                                             record
>>>                                                                             of
>>>                                                                             previous
>>>                                                                             communication,
>>>                                                                             proposals,
>>>                                                                             etc
>>>                                                                             ..*
>>>
>>>                                                                             P2P
>>>                                                                             Foundation:
>>>                                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                             <http://p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>                                                                             - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                                             <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                             Updates:
>>>                                                                             http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>                                                                             http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>>                                                                             #82
>>>                                                                             on
>>>                                                                             the
>>>                                                                             (En)Rich
>>>                                                                             list:
>>>                                                                             http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                             _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                             Wiki:
>>>                                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                             Lista
>>>                                                                             https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                         _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                         Wiki:
>>>                                                                         http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                         Lista
>>>                                                                         https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                     -- 
>>>                                                                     www.futuramedia.net
>>>                                                                     <http://www.futuramedia.net/>
>>>                                                                     www.codigo-abierto.cc
>>>                                                                     <http://www.codigo-abierto.cc/>
>>>                                                                     @bernardosampa
>>>                                                                     (twitter)
>>>                                                                     / @futura_media
>>>                                                                     São
>>>                                                                     Paulo
>>>                                                                     +55
>>>                                                                     11
>>>                                                                     43044380
>>>                                                                     <tel:%2B55%2011%2043044380>
>>>                                                                     (fijo)
>>>                                                                     +55
>>>                                                                     11
>>>                                                                     84881620
>>>                                                                     (celular)
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                     _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                     Wiki:
>>>                                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                     Lista
>>>                                                                     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                 _______________________________________________
>>>                                                                 Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                                 Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             -- 
>>>                                                             *Please
>>>                                                             note an
>>>                                                             intrusion wiped
>>>                                                             out my
>>>                                                             inbox on
>>>                                                             February
>>>                                                             8; I
>>>                                                             have no
>>>                                                             record
>>>                                                             of
>>>                                                             previous
>>>                                                             communication,
>>>                                                             proposals,
>>>                                                             etc ..*
>>>
>>>                                                             P2P
>>>                                                             Foundation:
>>>                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                             <http://p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>                                                             -
>>>                                                             http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                             <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             Updates:
>>>                                                             http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>                                                             http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>>                                                             #82 on
>>>                                                             the
>>>                                                             (En)Rich
>>>                                                             list:
>>>                                                             http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             _______________________________________________
>>>                                                             Wiki:
>>>                                                             http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                             Lista
>>>                                                             https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                         _______________________________________________
>>>                                                         Wiki:
>>>                                                         http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                         Lista
>>>                                                         https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                     -- 
>>>                                                     *Please note an
>>>                                                     intrusion wiped
>>>                                                     out my inbox on
>>>                                                     February 8; I
>>>                                                     have no record
>>>                                                     of previous
>>>                                                     communication,
>>>                                                     proposals, etc ..*
>>>
>>>                                                     P2P Foundation:
>>>                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                     <http://p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>                                                     -
>>>                                                     http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>                                                     <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                     Updates:
>>>                                                     http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>                                                     http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>>                                                     #82 on the
>>>                                                     (En)Rich list:
>>>                                                     http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>                                                     _______________________________________________
>>>                                                     Wiki:
>>>                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>>                                                     Lista
>>>                                                     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>                                                     _______________________________________________
>>                                                     Wiki:
>>                                                     http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                                     Lista
>>                                                     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                                 -- 
>>                                                 *Please note an
>>                                                 intrusion wiped out
>>                                                 my inbox on February
>>                                                 8; I have no record
>>                                                 of previous
>>                                                 communication,
>>                                                 proposals, etc ..*
>>
>>                                                 P2P Foundation:
>>                                                 http://p2pfoundation.net
>>                                                 -
>>                                                 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>>
>>                                                 Updates:
>>                                                 http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>                                                 http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>>                                                 #82 on the (En)Rich
>>                                                 list:
>>                                                 http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>>
>>                                                 _______________________________________________
>>                                                 Wiki:
>>                                                 http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                                 Lista
>>                                                 https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>
>>                                             _______________________________________________
>>                                             Wiki:
>>                                             http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                             Lista
>>                                             https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>                                         _______________________________________________
>>                                         Wiki:
>>                                         http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                         Lista
>>                                         https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                     -- 
>>                                     *Please note an intrusion wiped
>>                                     out my inbox on February 8; I
>>                                     have no record of previous
>>                                     communication, proposals, etc ..*
>>
>>                                     P2P Foundation:
>>                                     http://p2pfoundation.net -
>>                                     http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>>                                     Updates:
>>                                     http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>                                     http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>>                                     #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>                                     http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>>
>>                                     _______________________________________________
>>                                     Wiki:
>>                                     http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                     Lista
>>                                     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>
>>                                 _______________________________________________
>>                                 Wiki:
>>                                 http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>>                                 Lista
>>                                 https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                             -- 
>>                             *Please note an intrusion wiped out my
>>                             inbox on February 8; I have no record of
>>                             previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
>>
>>                             P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net
>>                             - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>>                             Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>                             http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>>                             #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>                             http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>         Lista
>         https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>
>         ...
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
>     Lista
>     https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no 
> record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
>
> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>
> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>
> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint
> Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es


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