[P2P-F] Spanda journals essays of the day

[Michel Bauwens]

ok, thanks, we will check the licensing!

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Zachary Stein <stein.zak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
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> Confused by this thread, but do what you will with my and Marc
> paper--within reason and the letter of Spanda's contracts (I think it is
> creative commons)…
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> Let me know what you need from me.
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> zak
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> *Dr. Zachary Stein*
> *www.zakstein.org <http://zakstein.org>*
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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear Gregory:
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> by the way, I did a first processing of your article here, https://wiki.
> p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons
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> and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list
>
> I wrote on fb:
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> "Dear Gregory Wilpert
> <https://www.facebook.com/gregwilpert?hc_location=ufi>: I have 2 issues
> with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call cooperatives
> 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that coops are the
> form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were clearly posed
> as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some were
> transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist
> market; still I find this term too much of a short hand
> Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#>
>  · Reply <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · 2 mins
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/1552859761424864/?comment_id=1552867904757383&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D>
> Edit <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#>
> [image: Michel Bauwens] <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens?fref=ufi>
> Michel Bauwens <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens?fref=ufi> also even
> today, many 'post-capitalist' commons are actually subsumed within
> capitalism, and not necessarily opposed to that; developer commons for
> example, are mostly clearly liberal in their basic orientation; others,
> whom I don't agree with, want to exclude those from the commons defintion,
> and only recognize anti-capitalist commons as true commons;
> Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#>
>  · Reply <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · 1 min
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/1552859761424864/?comment_id=1552868878090619&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D>
> Edit <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#>
> [image: Michel Bauwens] <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens?fref=ufi>
> Michel Bauwens <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens?fref=ufi> finally, you
> seem to almost exclusively equate post-capitalist commons with cultural
> commons, while the transformation towards physical production has been
> underway for at least 15 years and there are commons-based physical
> production communities (such as Atelier Paysan)
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