<div dir="ltr">ok, thanks, we will check the licensing!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Zachary Stein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stein.zak@gmail.com" target="_blank">stein.zak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi All, <div><br></div><div>Confused by this thread, but do what you will with my and Marc paper--within reason and the letter of Spanda's contracts (I think it is creative commons)…  </div><div><br></div><div>Let me know what you need from me. </div><div><br></div><div>zak</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2000797818778753478Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Gregory:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>by the way, I did a first processing of your article here, <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons" target="_blank">https://wiki.<wbr>p2pfoundation.net/<wbr>Consciousness_and_the_Post-<wbr>Capitalist_Commons</a></div><div><br></div><div>and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">I wrote on fb:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">"<span style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px">Dear </span><a class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-profileLink" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/gregwilpert?hc_location=ufi" style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);font-size:12px;color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Gregory Wilpert</a><span style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px">: I have 2 issues with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call cooperatives 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that coops are the form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were clearly posed as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some were transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist market; still I find this term too much of a short hand</span></div><div id="m_2000797818778753478gmail-comment_js_a23" class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIRow m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIComment m_2000797818778753478gmail-_4oep m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIUnseenItem" style="background-color:rgb(246,247,249);margin:0px 12px;padding:4px 0px;word-wrap:break-word;border-left:0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-_3b-9" style="font-family:inherit"><div style="font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-clearfix" style="zoom:1;font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-" style="font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIImageBlockContent m_2000797818778753478gmail-_42ef" style="overflow:hidden;margin:0px;padding-left:8px;font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFICommentContentBlock" style="padding-right:12px;font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFICommentContent" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"></span></div><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-fsm m_2000797818778753478gmail-fwn m_2000797818778753478gmail-fcg m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFICommentActions" style="clear:both;padding-top:2px;color:rgb(144,148,156);font-family:inherit"><span class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-_6a m_2000797818778753478gmail-_3-me" style="display:inline-block;font-family:inherit"><div class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-_khz" style="display:inline-block;font-family:inherit"><a class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFILikeLink m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIReactionLink" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;outline:none;word-wrap:normal;font-family:inherit" target="_blank">Like</a></div></span><span style="font-family:inherit"> · </span><a class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFIReplyLink m_2000797818778753478gmail-_460i" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:inherit" target="_blank">Reply</a><span style="font-family:inherit"> · </span><span style="font-family:inherit"><a class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-uiLinkSubtle" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/1552859761424864/?comment_id=1552867904757383&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D" style="color:rgb(144,148,156);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:inherit" target="_blank">2 mins</a></span></div><span class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-_36rj" style="font-family:inherit"><a class="m_2000797818778753478gmail-UFICommentCloseButton m_2000797818778753478gmail-_1-be m_2000797818778753478gmail-_5upq m_2000797818778753478gmail-_5upr m_2000797818778753478gmail-_5upp m_2000797818778753478gmail-_42ft" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;height:10px;width:10px;display:block;white-space:nowrap;background-color:transparent;border:0px none;overflow:hidden;padding:0px;vertical-align:middle;background-image:url("http:///rsrc.php/v3/yL/r/mEYzwVxEV1f.png");background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:97px 237px;background-position:-85px -135px;opacity:0;font-family:inherit;font-size:0px" target="_blank">Edit</a></span></div></di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