[P2P-F] Reflections on Trump, and the role of the commons as an alternative

Wed Feb 8 16:38:25 CET 2017

ok, let's see if any contributors/coordinators emerge , will check your EE
resource,

Michel

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 10:04 PM, George Pór <george.por at gmail.com> wrote:

> My publishing capacity is fully taken by, at least for now, till I design
> myself out of leading Enlivening Edge <http://www.enliveningedge.org>,
> where we (re-)publish stuff like David's "Can Capitalism Survive Without
> the Commons? What Can Bind People Together
> <http://www.enliveningedge.org/views/can-capitalism-survive-without-commons-can-bind-people-together-beyond-minimal-social-civic-ties/>
> ?"
>
> However, if someone on this list has appetite and capacity to launch
> something, I'd be happy to feed it with pointers and occasional editorials,
> me too.
>
> george
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
>> hi george,
>>
>> yes , that would certainly be useful, but to be honest, I'm not sure that
>> either I or my colleagues have the time and space to add another medium to
>> our work, about from commons transition dot org ...
>>
>> if you were to launch something, I'd be happy to feed it with pointers
>> and occasional editorials and such,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:30 PM, George Pór <george.por at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michel,
>>>
>>> Fully agree.
>>> Let's see what responses your Theses on Trump will get.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be useful to have a new publication focused on supporting
>>> the work with "younger staffers, working with think thanks, organizing
>>> workshops with people in political movements that are open to commons ideas
>>> ..."?
>>>
>>> george
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> dear George,
>>>>
>>>> yes, I agree with you, we have to operate at both these levels, and I'm
>>>> guessing the grassroots level dialogues are already happening,
>>>>
>>>> but changing the thinking of people who have been working with one
>>>> particular paradigm  all their lives is much more difficult, if not almost
>>>> impossible <g>, so I would suggest working through younger staffers,
>>>> working with think thanks, organizing workshops with people in political
>>>> movements that are open to commons ideas ...
>>>>
>>>> personally, I am also very happy with the progress of the Assemblies of
>>>> the Commons in France, though most are not focusing on this political work,
>>>> but they are in dialogue with municipal officials for their projects; and
>>>> initiatives like the Commons Transition Coalition in Melbourne. The work of
>>>> the European Commons Assembly which continues and develops after the
>>>> meeting, is also heartening, and simliar initiatives are under way in
>>>> germany, finland and the netherlands I heard
>>>>
>>>> I think a good question to ask is: what do they need that is related
>>>> and compatible with the commons approach, and is there any way that we can
>>>> assist them, so that goodwill and dialogue become possible,
>>>>
>>>> the UK is a bit of an outlier no, more like the USA than Europe ? apart
>>>> from open and platform coops, I'm not hearing much that is specifically
>>>> commons oriented  ? Glad to be proven wrong though <g>
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:30:22 +0000
>>>> From: George Pór <george at community-intelligence.com>
>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>> Cc: commonswatch at lists.p2pfoundation.net, Anna Betz
>>>>         <anna at enliveningedge.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Reflections on Trump,      and the role of the
>>>> commons
>>>>         as an alternative
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>>>>
>>>> hi Michel,
>>>>
>>>> Huge thank you for the clear and a concise articulation of what I've
>>>> been
>>>> thinking in the last few weeks!
>>>>
>>>> > The p2p/commons approach has a crucial role to play in making the
>>>> Sanders
>>>> coalition more realistic, by offering new strategies for
>>>> re-industrialization which are not based on going back to the old
>>>> models,
>>>> but on going forward towards a cosmo-local model of production, which
>>>> offers solutions not just for the US workers, but for the populations of
>>>> the world, and through its stress on mutualization and the commons, has
>>>> solutions for the ecological and climate crisis.
>>>>
>>>> The question I hold is, how can we most effectively play that role?
>>>> Isn't it by opening dialogues, both at the thought leadership and the
>>>> grassroots levels?
>>>>
>>>> *solidarity!*
>>>>
>>>> george
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
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>>
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>

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