[P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] our p2p/commons contribution to Journey to Earthland (GTN Discussion) (Michel Bauwens)

[Michel Bauwens]

dear Frederic,

the reason for these flurry of claims may be 1), the book by Steven Pinker,
the Better Nature of our Angels but 2) a more recent extensive review on
all possible historical data about violence (including cemetary counts,
tribal burial sites etc ..)

the study found that human killing is pretty much in line with our primate
cousins, but with spikes, and that in general, the trend is downward

I agree with Bob that such figures may not show the difference that
matrilineal societies may bring,

but I repeat a very important argument, see the site of the Institute of
Psycho-History for details, that a initial phase of 'maternal' attachment
parenting was counter-balanced by male initiation and de-sensitizing during
puberty, to prepare for the warrior and hunting role.

Also, biologically, I have seen studies showed how the love hormone is
linked to violence; the key here is an ability to 'extend' the feeling of
love to those outside the bonded kinship family; to my mind, that is not at
all a given.

some links:

https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-evidence-on-violent-deaths/

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v538/n7624/full/nature19758.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/human-violence-evolution-animals-nature-science/


On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Frederic Janssens <fjanss at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 6 November 2016 at 10:38, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We actually now know that tribal cultures were <more> violent than
> >> state-based systems, not less,
> >>
> > I have seen this claimed a lot recently; but I would like to have the
> detail
> > of that argument, because from what I know I do not fully agree.
>
> I am also skeptical about that as a general statement. Tribal cultures
> that I know anything about varied widely about relationships between
> men and women, child-rearing, and violence.
>
> While I have not made a deep study of this topic, I suspect one
> difference may be between those that were matrilineal and those that
> were not.
>



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