[P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] Robin Murray on Post-Post-Fordism

Sun Nov 8 17:40:47 CET 2015

I'm guessing gilbert murray should not be confused with the Robin M. that
we know,

Michel

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed, agree with Anna, it is extremely interesting analysis from Robin
> Murray. I think interviewers were referred by Wark's piece on Inventing
> Future book. The interview is a really enlightening one to me.
>
> On the one hand, because it was in Amsterdam networked labour gathering
> Robin and Michel met, and there were others mentioned in the interview like
> Hilary Wainwright, whose specific warning I always take as a guidance,
> makes this input special. While reading the text I remembered something
> Hilary used to talked, or warned about which was avoiding to replicate the
> mistake of of 68 generation (or resistance to capitalism / rulers in
> general) in helping capitalism reinvent itself.  I took that warning very
> serious and kept in mind. And while reading Robin's story, things get both
> clear and fuzzy at the same time, in terms of this mistake.
>
> Below is again relevant event; the intro page of Platform Cooperativism
> conference  taking place in NY next week. While looking at the Platform
> that is formed by the organizers, Scholz and Schinider which brings funders
> like Ford and Rosa Luxemburg, with unions like IG metal and Free Lancers
> Union, as well as participants like head of Microsoft research unit and
> CEO of free lancers Union co. Horowicth on the one hand and those like
> Stallman, Barbrook, Bauwens, Wark, Kleiner, Mayo, so on on the other.. My
> confusion accelerated - in relation to Hilary's warning. Can't help asking
> myself aren't, we, or this setting is helping out to capitalism to reinvent
> itself towards post-post-fordism. Even though the hope, or politics behind
> is that we culturally could make a good influence on the enemy, may be
> transform their thinking?
>
> Hence whilst I see Wark's criticism about this point and share his
> worries, what appears interesting is that he is on of the most enthusiasts
> attendant -as Trebor he is being part of the New School cadre hosting the
> event. Moreover, thinking of the recent piece shared by Fabian, by Tiziana;
> whose Social Strike piece were at the from page of the last years' Digital
> Labour event, my confusion increased since these are most radical critics
> of enemy we face here! Same goes for the '..to our friends' comrades, who
> sits at board of 'Invisible Committee', to whom Wark refers critically
> again in his review of Inventing Future (see his:
> http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/06/no-futurism/) and the links they
> have to the Powerful, the %1 percent. As occupiers of Occupy Wall St.
> online accounts (Micah White took over the twitter account and Justin
> Tunney (trans gender anarchist tool over the OWS blog admin letter is hired
> by Google as 'software developer' and white  founded his boutique
> revolution kickstart). Why all makes things become so fuzzy?
> Especially when realizing all these comrades and friends, somehow follow
> one or another version of Foucault-Deleuze-Laclau-Negri sort of radicalism,
> as those who are being linked to undertakings like transnational social
> strike.. One would normally can't stop thinking what all these mean?
>
> What it makes me feel though, assertively speaking, that roundabout power
> politics  never help in avoiding the mistake Hilary was remixing.
> Especially for those being squeezed and oppressed all the time. However
> such politics has been extremely helpful to those swimming in wealth and
> patent rights, those emerging as new victors out of the intra-class
> struggle marking the current crises as, Wark was rightly indicating. So
> that complex restructure of global oppression system not only survive but
> evolve in something worse each time.
>
> I wonder, therefore, why can't we talk and act assertively, openly, and
> ethically correct way instead amongst the forces of resistance, and towards
> forces and beneficiaries of oppression? What makes it immensely difficult?
> While everybody knows that there is or will be any tool or form; be it
> 'platform', portal, coop, p2p, network, tech, automation, nor basic income,
> serving for emancipation if we do not transform our selves and our beings.
>
> Robin's story of the past, tells me that we are again providing enormous
> amount of smart and useful analysis to stupid, narsist, psychopathological
> ruling cadre that possess all the means to control and oppress. The below
> event is not my main point of target here. And I do not accuse anyone for
> choosing specific politics or strategy.
>
> But what is crystal clear is that the entire network and relationships,
> built between actors belong to resistances in nature and those from rulers
> including Harvard, MIT, Mellon, to publishers (like Semiotext working with
> MIT -invisible committee books distributed by), from expensive projects
> funded by EU and EC, Ford, Rockefellar, Google, Microsoft, so on as well as
> political alliances built under guidance of the Club of Rome, Club of
> Budapest, Month Pelerin Society, World Economic Forum, ect. ect.. There is
> a certain and definite repetition of the mistake Hilary Wainwright used to
> warn about.
>
> It is not my intention to judge or hurt others feelings, but at this
> moment I do look and hope for rising up of the naive, good, and independent
> working people for themselves, forming their own p2p relationships,
> platforms, events, institutions and alliances, that would never receive any
> project money in return of sensitive strategic tacit knowledge. Who are
> trusting themselves and each other in growing hope; instead of investing
> hope and giving their destiny to wrong hands, or offering in exchange
> feeing need of income.
> Who grasps that there are really, socially, genetically and culturally bed
> people out there mostly at the most top, who can not help (because of
> individual and structural reasons) to reverse and exploit our inventions,
> findings, and our tacit knowledge, for their horrible, selfish, childish
> and irresponsible interests.
>
> O.
> ......Platform Cooperativism Introduction. http://platformcoop.net
>
> The seeds are being planted for a new kind of online economy. For all the
> wonders the Internet brings us, it is dominated by an economics of
> monopoly, extraction, and surveillance. Ordinary users retain little
> control over their personal data, and the digital workplace is creeping
> into every corner of workers’ lives. Online platforms often exploit and
> exacerbate existing inequalities in society, even while promising to be the
> great equalizers. Could the Internet be owned and governed differently?
> What if Uber drivers could set up their own platform, or if cities could
> control their own version of Airbnb? Can Silicon Alley do things more
> democratically than Silicon Valley? What are the prospects for platform
> cooperativism?
>
> On November 13 and 14, the New School in New York City will host a
> coming-out party for the cooperative Internet, built of platforms owned and
> governed by the people who rely on them. The program will include
> discussion sessions, screenings, monologues, legal hacks, workshops, and
> dialogues, as well as a showcase of projects, both conceptual and actual,
> under the purview of celebrity judges. We’ll learn from coders and worker
> cooperatives, scholars and designers. Together, we’ll put their lessons to
> work as we work toward usable apps and structural economic change. This is
> your chance to get on the ground floor of the next Internet, and to help
> make it a reality.
>
> Platform Cooperativism is convened by Trebor Scholz
> <http://twitter.com/trebors>(The New School) and Nathan Schneider
> <http://therowboat.com/> (University of Colorado Boulder).
>
> Further reading:
>
>    - Trebor Scholz, “Platform Cooperativism vs. the Sharing Economy
>    <http://tinyurl.com/oj8rna2>” (December 5, 2014) and ”Think Outside
>    the Boss
>    <http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/04/think-outside-the-boss/#.VUoVZEuhIds>
>    ,” *Public Seminar (April 5, 2015)*
>    - Nathan Schneider, “Owning Is the New Sharing
>    <http://www.shareable.net/blog/owning-is-the-new-sharing>,” *Shareable* (December
>    21, 2014)
>    - Janelle Orsi, Frank Pasquale, Nathan Schneider, Pia Mancini, Trebor
>    Scholz, “5 Ways to Take Back Tech
>    <http://www.thenation.com/article/5-ways-take-back-tech/>,” *The
>    Nation* (May 27, 2015)
>    - Nathan Schneider, “Owning What We Share
>    <http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/the-future-of-work-owning-what-we-share>
>    ,” *Pacific Standard *(September 1, 2015)
>
> Sponsors & Partners
>
> Platform Cooperativism is sponsored by Eugene Lang College The New School
> for Liberal Arts, The Ford Foundation, The Freelancers Union, The New
> School University Student Senate, The Workers Lab, IG Metal, Institute for
> the Future, Demand Progress, Internet and Society, The Robert L.
> Heilbronner Center for Capitalism Studies, the University of Colorado
> Boulder, Democracy at Work Institute, The Digital Humanities Minor at The
> New School, The Lang Student Senate, and The Rosa Luxemburg Foundation NYC.
>
> The event is presented in partnership with Carnegie Mellon School of
> Design, Civic Hall, Democracy Collaborative, Green Worker Cooperatives, The
> Murphy Institute for Worker Education and Labor Studies at CUNY, the New
> Economy Coalition, The Robin Hood Foundation, Shareable, The United States
> Federation of Worker Cooperatives, Ver.di, The Working World, The Laura
> Flanders Show, and The Yale Information Society Project.
>
> This is the fourth event in The New School’s series The Politics of
> Digital Culture, which included  The Internet as Playground & Factory
> <http://digitallabor.org/2009> (2009) and Digital Labor
> <http://digitallabor.org/> (2014), among other conferences. There will be
> two additional summits in this series, following up on these themes, in
> 2016.
>
> Twitter:  @platformcoop #platformcoop
>
>
>
> On 7 nov. 2015, at 12:52, Anna Harris <anna at shsh.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thank you for this Peter. Extremely interesting analysis of past and
> future economic trends. In passing it answers Orsan's point about positive
> and hope being in the 'non-automatable part of life and human'.
>
> 'They always looked to see if knowledge could be codified, yet knew that
> you had to have tacit knowledge to apply and customise the codification.
> That tacit knowledge might itself be codified. but that too needs further
> tacit knowledge. and so on. It was a constant movement of codification plus
> the tacit, never the eradication of the tacit. The moment you lose the
> tacit, living labour, the codification atrophies.' (p13)
> In other words the two functions are not opposed to each other, but are
> complementary. The key is whether they are used to exploit by extracting
> a profit, or to benefit society.
>
> Anna
>
> On 6 Nov 2015, at 14:03, Peter Waterman <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <nf8485_murray_gilbert_goffey.pdf>
>
>
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