[P2P-F] [commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament

Thu Feb 12 17:45:25 CET 2015

there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ...

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
wrote:

> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in
> Greece...
>
> Roberto Verzola
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700
> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele at commonsabundance.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > Very interesting discussion!
> >
> > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p
> > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in
> > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be
> > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)
> > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere
> > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that
> > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are
> > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both
> > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?
> >
> > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek
> > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new
> > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a
> > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results
> > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would
> > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in
> > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there
> > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear
> > from you what you think about this.
> >
> > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,
> > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is
> > that personal connection!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely
> > endorses commons strategy before parliament
> > From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm
> > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b at gmail.com>,
> > p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org, Commoning
> > <commoning at lists.commons-institut.org>,
> > "tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net>,
> > Commoning List <commoning at lists.wissensallmende.de>
> >
> > Eleftherios thank you for the translation.
> > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2
> > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an
> > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to
> > the commons ideas.
> >
> > Best regards
> > George
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
> > <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished
> > message.
> >
> > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to
> > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and
> > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not
> > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
> >
> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
> >
> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
> > of the commons personally and in public is the following.
> >
> > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with
> > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events
> > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and
> > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the
> > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually
> > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in
> > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the
> > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by
> > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social
> > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in
> > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced
> > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a
> > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which
> > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,
> > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the
> > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of
> > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for
> > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity
> > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of
> > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that
> > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are
> > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by
> > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in
> > Greece and worldwide. Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Greek speakers could find the original here.
> >
> > http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041
> >
> > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
> > <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr
> > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind
> > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek
> > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am
> > not a trained translator)
> >
> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
> >
> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
> > of the commons.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list
> > <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis,
> >
> > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,
> > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when
> > conditions are right ..
> >
> > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on
> > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer
> > term change,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis
> > <kostakis.b at gmail.com> wrote: Michel,
> >
> > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find
> > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.
> > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was
> > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George
> > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he
> > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south
> > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,
> > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the
> > situation and give us time for experimentation".
> >
> > Let's see...
> >
> > v.
> >
> > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens
> > <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news:
> >
> > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?
> > especially in english ?
> >
> > see:
> >
> > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his
> > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new
> > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global
> > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable
> > development."
> >
> > --
> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
> >
> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
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> >
> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
> >
> > Senior Research Fellow
> > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
> >
> > Research Director
> > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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