[P2P-F] P2P dual language - en dos idiomas

Fri Jul 18 19:43:25 CEST 2014

It May sound off the track, yet while I was checking FLOK management page, I did see list of experts and advisors and who suggested them. I saw that Daniel Vasquez did recommend as macro economic advisor famous ex head of IMF, later it's self-critical economist!! Can anyone confirm and explain what is the logic of appointing Joseph Stiglitz as an high level expert and advisor to a project like this, aiming Ecuador's transition to a FLOK society? For me these are kind of really problematic co-optative steps needs to be avoided and criticized. I have been waiting and waiting from Bernardo, Xabier and Daniel any kind of reaction or self-reflexive report, noting heard anything or am not yet aware of. Than I started to get suspicious are there  Conscious steps taken and are we being pulled in alternative p2p - commons Keynesian project? So partner state can be sounding very nice theory, yet at the end it can turn into they are state, some of us partners and business goes usual for the billions, and the commons.. What kind of consciousness and check and balance we will be able to build. Another initiative I found about is Global Marshall Plan initiative to which some of out dear friends got involved, under the UN framework promoting An idea of Commons Charters instead of Millennium Goals, which was scheduled to 2015. I again am not against involvement and engagement with the state to open, transform, and dissolve it from bottom to up, yet with giant capitalist partners like al gore, bill gates, bono, Soros, elite groups like club of Rome, club of Budapest, ... A child can guess where would the game end up! Do not want to judgmental but we have seen this movie many times, perfect ideas and hypotheses, communism itself may easily be spoiled. P2p and commons should be protected carefully... 
Orsan  

> On 18 Jul 2014, at 04:23, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Am 7/17/2014 1:33 PM, schrieb Bernardo Gutiérrez:
>> Estimado Willi
>> 
>> Gracias por tu aporte. El idioma de la lista p2p-es es el español, por lo
>> que no es buena idea "to bring this two language spaces together"
>> imponiendo el inglés, como no lo es enviar el mismo mail a listas con
>> diferentes idiomas. Tú mismo criticaste a los que escribían en inglés a las
>> listas de FLOK. Lo correcto es enviarlo a diferentes listas, cada una con
>> su idioma, o escribir en todos los idiomas para todas
>> 
>> Un abrazo
>> Bernardo
>> 
>> Dear Willi
>> 
>> Thanks for your comment. The commom language of p2p-es is Spanish, so I
>> think it is not a good idea "to bring this two language spaces together"
>> imposing English, as it is not a good practice to send the same mail with
>> just one language to different lists. You were  critic with those who wrote
>> in English in FLOK lists. The proper could be to send the message in
>> different languages to different lists or to write in both languages and
>> send the message
>> 
>> Best
>> Bernardo
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> this is a very clear and correct position. I think, the writers write in 
> two languages, if they addressed the two language spaces. Normally it is 
> enough to use google translation between english and spanish to 
> understand. A good english we can translate and understand. A good 
> spanish also. (not for me, because my english is very bad).
> 
> The other is our interest to distribute some texts from one language 
> space to the other. We need the support from this people, they speak 
> both languages.
> 
> many greetings, willi
> 
> 
> Querid at s amig at s,
> 
> esta es una posición muy clara y correcta. Creo que, los escritores 
> escriben en dos idiomas, si se dirigían los dos espacios lingüísticos. 
> Normalmente es suficiente con utilizar traducción de Google entre Inglés 
> y español para entender. Un buen Inglés podemos traducir y entender. Un 
> buen español también. (no para mí, porque mi inglés es muy malo).
> 
> El otro es nuestro interés para distribuir algunos de los textos de un 
> espacio idioma a otro. Necesitamos el apoyo de este pueblo, hablan los 
> dos idiomas.
> 
> Muchas saludas, willi
> 
> 
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