[P2P-F] Fwd: Re: [Research] [investigacion] english version of the summit declaration

[willi uebelherr]

Dear friends,

this answer from Quiliro to Michel is very important for the readers on 
this list. Is that true, that Quiliro from Ecuador is excluded from the 
P2P-F list? And also Bernardo?

many greetings, willi
Bogota, Colombia


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Betreff: Re: [Research] [investigacion] english version of the summit 
declaration
Datum: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:11:43 -0500
Von: Quiliro Ordóñez Baca <quiliro at congresolibre.org>
An: Michel Bauwens <p2pfoundation1 at gmail.com>
Kopie (CC): willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>, 
"research at listas.floksociety.org" <research at listas.floksociety.org>, 
Leopoldo Sanfuentes <alps at acm.org>,  Michel Bauwens 
<michel at p2pfoundation.net>, Dania Irene Quirola Suarez 
<daniaquirolasuarez at gmail.com>,  Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada at reflex.at>, 
jakob rigi <rigij at ceu.hu>

El mié 16 jul 2014 05:42:16 ECT, Michel Bauwens escribió:
> dear Quiliro,
>
> while things may look quietly on the western front, they may be less
> than you think,
>
> after the public threats to publish my private emails so I wouldn't
> publish an independent political evaluation, BG has systematically
> targetted my associations, threatening to 'bring me down', promising a
> bombshell, and trying to wean them away from the network promising
> juicy flok contracts ... this is just the way they operate, and none
> of us is going to change that ..

That is a terrible thing. One thing is to try to make things clear for
others and another is to try to destroy people.

> there are particular group dynamics at work there, a paranoid style of
> politics that dictates that who is not 100% with them, is necessarily
> a dark enemy. Bernardo's case is typical, he was not there most of the
> time, yet a few days after arriving, got convinced of their truths and
> actively started to spread disinformation; even when I sent him
> counterfactuals, he continued.
>
> It is one thing to believe someone out of loyalty and trust, but
> another thing to continue to actively spread them when you already
> know they are untrue,
>
> As for myself, I will of course never again work in this dynamic, and
> I'm trying to ignore the many false accusation that BG is spreading,
>
> the danger is that we sink into negativity, which they seem to enjoy
> as conquistadores, keeping us away from our constructive work,
>
> I'm trying to ignore these dynamics as best as I can,

It is better to learn about them than to ignore them. It is happy to
have been through something bad when we get over it and learn from it.
I know you are not used to these defamatory and inflammatory tactics of
these people because you have always managed yourself in good terms
with everyone. But it is a signal of being close to the fire....And
fire can make change!

On another topic, I would like to ask why have I not been allowed to
subscribe to the p2p-foundation mailing list and if it was a policy to
ban Bernardo from it (as he writes to me that he was previously
subscribed). I know he is a terrible person and that he is good at
trying to look like a sheep when he is really a wolf. But it is
important for me to distinguish FLOK management's attitude of
censorship from P2P Foundation attitude of inclusion. To do so, it
would be important that p2p-foundation mailing list would not
incorporate any sort of censorship on its mailing list.

--
Saludos libres,
Quiliro Ordóñez
600 8579