[P2P-F] an evaluation of the flok

Sun Jul 6 03:59:13 CEST 2014

Keep in mind that the research papers of the flok project can become part
of a political movement of the commons in Equador.
Even revolutionaries engage in movements that request from the government
to pass some laws.

2014-07-06 2:23 GMT+03:00 Kevin Carson <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com
>:

> I think this is a good general observation on the likely result of
> most successor economy projects carried out in cooperation with state
> agencies: the most important outcome will be the horizontal functional
> connections (including with state personnel working within the belly
> of the beat) that persist after the state itself decays.
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Michel Bauwens
> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> > Here is a nice ecuadorian and in my view balanced evaluation of the flok,
> >
> > in order to avoid inflaming, I removed the name of the author and most of
> > the persons cited
> >
> > Since I have been repeatedly threatened and intimidated in an attempt to
> > avoid any independent political evaluation of the flok, I don't see any
> > point in continuing to be careful about some of its unfortunately
> realities:
> >
> > from an ecuadorian person who participated in the flok process
> >
> > <<
> >
> > It's sad but the failure of something like FLOK is just another part of
> > life. Big picture, what mattered in Ecuador was introducing revolutionary
> > ideas to the population, and I think the way your team decided to carry
> out
> > research did impact many key people and foment important connections
> > in-country. What mattered for the P2P movement worldwide is learning from
> > failures, and you're more in tune with how that is going to move forward.
> > The case of Bernardo is very sad ... the case of Daniel V. somewhat
> sadder.
> >
> > I do understand Ecuador much more than Bernardo or Daniel V. do, and I
> can
> > predict what FLOK is going to mean in the political landscape: the word
> FLOK
> > will eventually mean nothing. The papers it produced will mean nothing.
> What
> > will last will be the connections between people that it left behind.
> This
> > is why it saddens me that within the category of the people who met via
> > FLOK, some of them don't see the value of the others, and the strength
> that
> > the organism that coalesced in Quito could have. I'm sorry that they're
> > treating you the way they are. It's despicable. I think that people that
> > know you will see through the vitriol and judge you for your actions
> rather
> > than the words of others.
> >
> >  I don't think "FLOK" as it was imagined in Ecuador can be rescued. I
> think
> > if there's a power struggle over the idea or the papers produced at the
> > summit, that will just sink it faster. My opinion (and keep in mind that
> I
> > don't know much about what happened at the summit) is that you would
> benefit
> > from even more distance between yourself and Daniel V's project, that you
> > should continue to be open to the public and continue to process the
> "whys"
> > of your split and critique of the project, but move on without the label
> > "FLOK" on what you do. There's a measure of pride and ownership in not
> > wanting something that you loved, i.e. the idea of FLOK, to be completely
> > taken over by people whose ideas you hate, but that's how open source
> stuff
> > works, I suppose :) I don't think the way Daniel V. and co. do things is
> > going to conquer Ecuador. Actually, I'm positive that he will continue to
> > fail. Ecuadorians are not fond of being ruled by centralized power,
> > especially not from abroad. He's successful when he operates in the
> shadows
> > and when he uses Ecuadorians like Andres or Isabel as puppets to speak to
> > the locals, and foreigners with more cache, like yourself, to speak to
> the
> > international community. On his own, operating in Ecuador, he's pretty
> > harmless. And since he continually alienates people, I think he'll always
> > end up alone.
> >
> > So, take heart, I suppose? "
> >
> > --
> > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no
> record
> > of previous communication, proposals, etc ..
> >
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