[P2P-F] Distributed Economy proposal
Brent Shambaugh
brent.shambaugh at gmail.com
Thu Jan 16 05:58:15 CET 2014
Dear all,
In an attempt to consolidate my threads, I just posted the latest at
semantic-web at w3.org. Please comment about the project there. If there is a
better place, let me know. Sorry about double posting.
Here is the link:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2014Jan/0041.html
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Brent Shambaugh
<brent.shambaugh at gmail.com>wrote:
> I think the best thing I can do is post what I have been working on on the
> web and let it receive criticism. There is one part that is more specific
> to an institution. I'll see what I can put from that into the more general
> writing. I guess it would be bad if I shared their name right now, not that
> they have read what I have been writing presently or have officially
> supported me in its development. Thanks everyone.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <
> xekoukou at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would only add that It helps if your proposal is scientifically
>> correct. There may be many proposals these days, but how many of them are
>> valid?
>> Having the laws of nature at your side is the best ally you could have.
>>
>> But scientific rigor requires great effort and so you ll need to have an
>> income.
>>
>>
>> 2014/1/1 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>
>>> or ... we can create collaboratives to work on the development of tools
>>> together,
>>>
>>> and then use the tools to generate our own markets and economic
>>> opportunities...
>>>
>>> For setting up such collaboratives, we need to generate sufficient
>>> engagement, a plan, and find some financing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think there are two different issues here,
>>>>
>>>> one is the proposal, which has to go through the darwinian process of
>>>> being discussed, accepted, rejected by individuals and communities of
>>>> interest ... ; the only thing to do here is to refine and spread the
>>>> proposal and interact with whomever is interested ... but we live in age of
>>>> a cambrian explosion of transformative proposals, so it won't be easy.
>>>> Better in my opinion is to engage with social movements that are maximally
>>>> close to the values and ideas you propose.
>>>>
>>>> the second is making a living; it is almost impossible to make a living
>>>> with reform ideas only , though not impossible, as our work with the p2p-f
>>>> shows; but I would not recommend the hardship to anyone; and my hunch is
>>>> that professionalisation is needed at some point, i.e. transforming into an
>>>> institution that can guarantee at least some livelyhoods for core organizers
>>>>
>>>> finding the common ground between one's passion, one's skills, and
>>>> social needs is the holy grail, but this is very hard to do in the realm of
>>>> ideas,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, <
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>>>>> 1. Re: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>>>>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>>>> (Brent Shambaugh)
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:59:34 -0600
>>>>> From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>>> is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>>>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>, P2P Foundation
>>>>> mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>>> Cc: Dan Robles <ingenesist at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro
>>>>> <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Jim Lee <jim at climateviewer.com>,
>>>>> Fernanda
>>>>> Ibarra <fernanda at thetransitioner.org>, Connor Turland
>>>>> <connorturland at gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <
>>>>> solaureum at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>, Eric Harris-Braun
>>>>> <eric at harris-braun.com>, heather vescent <
>>>>> heathervescent at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com>, Suresh Fernando
>>>>> <suresh2323 at gmail.com>, "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>, Michel
>>>>> Bauwens
>>>>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <
>>>>> artbrock at geekgene.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the
>>>>> ideas
>>>>> from my Distributed Economy blog (
>>>>> http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I
>>>>> felt
>>>>> I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of
>>>>> academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was
>>>>> unsure
>>>>> build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I
>>>>> also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time
>>>>> for
>>>>> self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid
>>>>> enough
>>>>> that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's
>>>>> scope
>>>>> was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I
>>>>> basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and
>>>>> everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia,
>>>>> etc...).
>>>>> Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I
>>>>> just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's
>>>>> the
>>>>> sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have
>>>>> done a
>>>>> lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did
>>>>> much
>>>>> beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others
>>>>> might
>>>>> not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private,
>>>>> while
>>>>> at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community.
>>>>> Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to
>>>>> share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm
>>>>> almost
>>>>> done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to
>>>>> fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same
>>>>> time I
>>>>> need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs
>>>>> the
>>>>> support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are
>>>>> there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Thanks Eric
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are
>>>>> doing
>>>>> > around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > further note :
>>>>> > an interesting reply by June on this thread,
>>>>> > also available on the public p2pf list archive
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01085.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson
>>>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>>> is
>>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01087.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > June Gorman
>>>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>>> is
>>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01088.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun <
>>>>> eric at harris-braun.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hi All,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency
>>>>> Project
>>>>> >> has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our
>>>>> point of
>>>>> >> view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are
>>>>> designing to
>>>>> >> build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest
>>>>> levels of the
>>>>> >> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent
>>>>> embodied
>>>>> >> in RDF/URI.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech
>>>>> hang-out in
>>>>> >> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop
>>>>> me a
>>>>> >> line.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -Eric
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>>> >> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively,
>>>>> *
>>>>> >>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation
>>>>> blog,*
>>>>> >>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , *
>>>>> >>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data -
>>>>> >>> and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our
>>>>> >>> realities collectively -*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our
>>>>> >>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can
>>>>> help in
>>>>> >>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it
>>>>> with nice
>>>>> >>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to
>>>>> do - yet
>>>>> >>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not
>>>>> only about
>>>>> >>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to
>>>>> work
>>>>> >>> together on various applications based on common protocols. *
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ...
>>>>> *
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I
>>>>> am open
>>>>> >>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an
>>>>> easier to
>>>>> >>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> for your replies.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after
>>>>> an
>>>>> >>> email exchange with Michel.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest
>>>>> >>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related
>>>>> forums.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could
>>>>> be the
>>>>> >>> reason,
>>>>> >>> and how could it be better communicated.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in
>>>>> using
>>>>> >>> such technologies in their research and development of
>>>>> applications,
>>>>> >>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such
>>>>> >>> technologies,
>>>>> >>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these
>>>>> >>> applications to enable yet new applications.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value
>>>>> Network
>>>>> >>> tools...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> applications,
>>>>> >>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching
>>>>> approaches,
>>>>> >>> and inviting others into such research and development, which
>>>>> hopefully can
>>>>> >>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of
>>>>> learning
>>>>> >>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already
>>>>> >>> including ) such approaches ...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using
>>>>> >>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is
>>>>> regaining
>>>>> >>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in
>>>>> support of
>>>>> >>> Sharing Economy applications ?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ///
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the
>>>>> >>> development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks
>>>>> about ,
>>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first
>>>>> >>> Holoptism )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and
>>>>> >>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"<
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival>
>>>>> >>> ,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of "
>>>>> Noosphere "
>>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a
>>>>> >>> convergence with artificial intelligence.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> See :
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg
>>>>> >>> ( and another graph about internet evolution
>>>>> >>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm , also calling some
>>>>> >>> phases we have technologies for and for which we need more
>>>>> collaboration in
>>>>> >>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb"
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective
>>>>> >>> Intelligence, to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies,
>>>>> ...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the
>>>>> Global
>>>>> >>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are so many implications regarding decision making,
>>>>> collaboration
>>>>> >>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and
>>>>> even
>>>>> >>> finance...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data
>>>>> >>> approaches,
>>>>> >>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and
>>>>> >>> technologies,
>>>>> >>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are series of existing Ontologies. RDF Schema being one
>>>>> approach
>>>>> >>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance.
>>>>> >>> There is also the use of Json.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and
>>>>> >>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies... And I did not even mention
>>>>> other
>>>>> >>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach
>>>>> ? ) ,
>>>>> >>> such as that of Pierre Levy
>>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML
>>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each
>>>>> application,
>>>>> >>> various combinations of technologies may been considered,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data
>>>>> that
>>>>> >>> can be re-used along compatible data graph approaches...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could
>>>>> understand,
>>>>> >>> and beyond any one specific project ? Enable the imagery of a
>>>>> new way
>>>>> >>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to
>>>>> >>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we
>>>>> play
>>>>> >>> based on such contextualization layers ?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various
>>>>> applications,
>>>>> >>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely
>>>>> >>> called "The Internet of Things"<
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> /
>>>>> >>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in
>>>>> support of
>>>>> >>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution
>>>>> Economy
>>>>> >>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various
>>>>> existing
>>>>> >>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage,
>>>>> reducing the
>>>>> >>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for
>>>>> >>> organizing ourselves using such data ...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are many more themes this relates to.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc
>>>>> >>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like
>>>>> components that
>>>>> >>> can easily be re-assembled ? )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we
>>>>> can
>>>>> >>> be ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used
>>>>> to trap us
>>>>> >>> in it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement
>>>>> views, give
>>>>> >>> your own perceptions, etc
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web
>>>>> 4.0"
>>>>> >>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to
>>>>> work
>>>>> >>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these
>>>>> concepts,
>>>>> >>> and understand that these potentials are very real and are current
>>>>> - and we
>>>>> >>> can participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit
>>>>> from its
>>>>> >>> potentials.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger
>>>>> partnerships -,
>>>>> >>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to
>>>>> motivate
>>>>> >>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach -
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> see :
>>>>> http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that
>>>>> can be
>>>>> >>> used to illustrate such concepts... I am willing to bring them
>>>>> together.
>>>>> >>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting
>>>>> research
>>>>> >>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog
>>>>> articles.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Forwarded conversation
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>>>>> >>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>>>> >>> ------------------------
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM
>>>>> >>> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to
>>>>> me )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials*
>>>>> >>> *B ) Not interested*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> and
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data
>>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>*
>>>>> >>> *2 ) Know about it*
>>>>> >>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data
>>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in
>>>>> support of p2p
>>>>> >>> 4 commons ? )*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> //
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Context of my question :
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic
>>>>> with much
>>>>> >>> interest on the p2pf related forums.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know
>>>>> about
>>>>> >>> Linked Data, and its potentials ?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to
>>>>> bring it
>>>>> >>> up on this specific list ?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications,
>>>>> >>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for
>>>>> a few
>>>>> >>> years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a
>>>>> programmer over
>>>>> >>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be
>>>>> taken to
>>>>> >>> create certain applications.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ///
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick
>>>>> ,
>>>>> >>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not
>>>>> have to
>>>>> >>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you
>>>>> like.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain
>>>>> what
>>>>> >>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to
>>>>> manifest them
>>>>> >>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons
>>>>> >>> oriented political economies.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Cordially,
>>>>> >>> Dante
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----------
>>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM
>>>>> >>> To: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>>>>> >>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>> >>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <
>>>>> artbrock at geekgene.com>,
>>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <
>>>>> me at larky.org>,
>>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>>>>> >>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <
>>>>> >>> hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> sent this to p2pf list ...
>>>>> >>> Cordially, Dante
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----------
>>>>> >>> From: *Helene Finidori* <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM
>>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>>>>> >>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>> >>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <
>>>>> artbrock at geekgene.com>,
>>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <
>>>>> me at larky.org>,
>>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>>>>> >>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Good idea.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp
>>>>> last
>>>>> >>> May? Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and
>>>>> info to
>>>>> >>> 'find each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and
>>>>> capacities?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value
>>>>> proposition' a
>>>>> >>> bit :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for
>>>>> , or
>>>>> >>> that's how it could concretely benefit society' generating way.
>>>>> And yes,
>>>>> >>> create a collective...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----------
>>>>> >>> From: *Bob Haugen* <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM
>>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <
>>>>> >>> ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>,
>>>>> >>> Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>, Eric Harris-Braun <
>>>>> >>> eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>, elf Pavlik
>>>>> <
>>>>> >>> perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <ingenesist at gmail.com>,
>>>>> S H <
>>>>> >>> seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing
>>>>> >>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>> them eventually.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to
>>>>> >>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only
>>>>> format
>>>>> >>> that has been requested. Would happily learn and use RDF if
>>>>> needed.
>>>>> >>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of
>>>>> >>> value-creating and using activities). The pace of offerings
>>>>> depends
>>>>> >>> on somebody wanting to use them.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----------
>>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM
>>>>> >>> To: Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
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