[P2P-F] Distributed Economy proposal

Brent Shambaugh brent.shambaugh at gmail.com
Sat Jan 4 18:21:44 CET 2014


I think the best thing I can do is post what I have been working on on the
web and let it receive criticism. There is one part that is more specific
to an institution. I'll see what I can put from that into the more general
writing. I guess it would be bad if I shared their name right now, not that
they have read what I have been writing presently or have officially
supported me in its development. Thanks everyone.


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <
xekoukou at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would only add that It helps if your proposal is scientifically correct.
> There may be many proposals these days, but how many of them are valid?
> Having the laws of nature at your side is the best ally you could have.
>
> But scientific rigor requires great effort and so you ll need to have an
> income.
>
>
> 2014/1/1 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>
>> or ... we can create collaboratives to work on the development of tools
>> together,
>>
>> and then use the tools to generate our own markets and economic
>> opportunities...
>>
>> For setting up such collaboratives, we need to generate sufficient
>> engagement, a plan, and find some financing.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think there are two different issues here,
>>>
>>> one is the proposal, which has to go through the darwinian process of
>>> being discussed, accepted, rejected by individuals and communities of
>>> interest ... ; the only thing to do here is to refine and spread the
>>> proposal and interact with whomever is interested ... but we live in age of
>>> a cambrian explosion of transformative proposals, so it won't be easy.
>>> Better in my opinion is to engage with social movements that are maximally
>>> close to the values and ideas you propose.
>>>
>>> the second is making a living; it is almost impossible to make a living
>>> with reform ideas only , though not impossible, as our work with the p2p-f
>>> shows; but I would not recommend the hardship to anyone; and my hunch is
>>> that professionalisation is needed at some point, i.e. transforming into an
>>> institution that can guarantee at least some livelyhoods for core organizers
>>>
>>> finding the common ground between one's passion, one's skills, and
>>> social needs is the holy grail, but this is very hard to do in the realm of
>>> ideas,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, <
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>>>> From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>>         is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>,     P2P Foundation
>>>>         mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>> Cc: Dan Robles <ingenesist at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro
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>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the
>>>> ideas
>>>> from my Distributed Economy blog (
>>>> http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind
>>>> of
>>>> felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I
>>>> felt
>>>> I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself.
>>>> It is
>>>> hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of
>>>> academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was
>>>> unsure
>>>> build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I
>>>> also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time for
>>>> self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid
>>>> enough
>>>> that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's
>>>> scope
>>>> was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I
>>>> basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and
>>>> everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, etc...).
>>>> Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I
>>>> just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's the
>>>> sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have done
>>>> a
>>>> lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did
>>>> much
>>>> beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others
>>>> might
>>>> not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private,
>>>> while
>>>> at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community.
>>>> Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to
>>>> share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm
>>>> almost
>>>> done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to
>>>> fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same time
>>>> I
>>>> need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs
>>>> the
>>>> support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are
>>>> there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way.
>>>>
>>>> -Brent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks Eric
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are
>>>> doing
>>>> > around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out.
>>>> >
>>>> > further note :
>>>> > an interesting reply by June on this thread,
>>>> > also available on the public p2pf list archive
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >    - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>>>> >    understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01085.html
>>>> >
>>>> >     Dante-Gabryell Monson
>>>> >       - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>> is
>>>> >       understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01087.html
>>>> >
>>>> >        June Gorman
>>>> >       - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested
>>>> is
>>>> >       understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01088.html
>>>> >
>>>> >        Dante-Gabryell Monson
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun <
>>>> eric at harris-braun.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi All,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency
>>>> Project
>>>> >> has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our
>>>> point of
>>>> >> view, Semantic Computing.  Ceptr, the computing stack we are
>>>> designing to
>>>> >> build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels
>>>> of the
>>>> >> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent
>>>> embodied
>>>> >> in RDF/URI.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out
>>>> in
>>>> >> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop
>>>> me a
>>>> >> line.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Eric
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>> >> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, *
>>>> >>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation
>>>> blog,*
>>>> >>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , *
>>>> >>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data -
>>>> >>> and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our
>>>> >>> realities collectively -*
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our
>>>> >>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can
>>>> help in
>>>> >>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it
>>>> with nice
>>>> >>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to
>>>> do - yet
>>>> >>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great.   I mean, not only
>>>> about
>>>> >>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to work
>>>> >>> together on various applications based on common protocols. *
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... *
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am
>>>> open
>>>> >>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an
>>>> easier to
>>>> >>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.*
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> for your replies.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an
>>>> >>> email exchange with Michel.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest
>>>> >>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related
>>>> forums.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be
>>>> the
>>>> >>> reason,
>>>> >>> and how could it be better communicated.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in
>>>> using
>>>> >>> such technologies in their research and development of applications,
>>>> >>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such
>>>> >>> technologies,
>>>> >>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these
>>>> >>> applications to enable yet new applications.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value
>>>> Network
>>>> >>> tools...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety
>>>> of
>>>> >>> applications,
>>>> >>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching
>>>> approaches,
>>>> >>> and inviting others into such research and development, which
>>>> hopefully can
>>>> >>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of
>>>> learning
>>>> >>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already
>>>> >>> including ) such approaches ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using
>>>> >>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago.  I now notice Pavlik is
>>>> regaining
>>>> >>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in
>>>> support of
>>>> >>> Sharing Economy applications ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ///
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the
>>>> >>> development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks
>>>> about ,
>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first
>>>> >>> Holoptism )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and
>>>> >>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"<
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival>
>>>> >>> ,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " Noosphere
>>>> "
>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a
>>>> >>> convergence with artificial intelligence.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> See :
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg
>>>> >>> ( and another graph about internet evolution
>>>> >>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm  , also calling some
>>>> >>> phases we have technologies for and for which we need more
>>>> collaboration in
>>>> >>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb"
>>>> >>>
>>>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective
>>>> >>> Intelligence, to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies,
>>>> ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field
>>>> of
>>>> >>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the
>>>> Global
>>>> >>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are so many implications regarding decision making,
>>>> collaboration
>>>> >>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and
>>>> even
>>>> >>> finance...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data
>>>> >>> approaches,
>>>> >>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and
>>>> >>> technologies,
>>>> >>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are series of existing Ontologies.  RDF Schema being one
>>>> approach
>>>> >>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance.
>>>> >>> There is also the use of Json.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and
>>>> >>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies...    And I did not even mention
>>>> other
>>>> >>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach ?
>>>> ) ,
>>>> >>> such as that of Pierre Levy
>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML
>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each
>>>> application,
>>>> >>> various combinations of technologies may been considered,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data
>>>> that
>>>> >>> can be re-used along compatible data graph approaches...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could
>>>> understand,
>>>> >>> and beyond any one specific project ?   Enable the imagery of a new
>>>> way
>>>> >>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to
>>>> >>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we
>>>> play
>>>> >>> based on such contextualization layers ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various
>>>> applications,
>>>> >>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely
>>>> >>> called "The Internet of Things"<
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> /
>>>> >>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in support
>>>> of
>>>> >>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution
>>>> Economy
>>>> >>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various
>>>> existing
>>>> >>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage,
>>>> reducing the
>>>> >>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for
>>>> >>> organizing ourselves using such data ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are many more themes this relates to.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc
>>>> >>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like components
>>>> that
>>>> >>> can easily be re-assembled ? )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we
>>>> can
>>>> >>> be ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used to
>>>> trap us
>>>> >>> in it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement views,
>>>> give
>>>> >>> your own perceptions, etc
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web
>>>> 4.0"
>>>> >>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to work
>>>> >>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these
>>>> concepts,
>>>> >>> and understand that these potentials are very real and are current
>>>> - and we
>>>> >>> can participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit
>>>> from its
>>>> >>> potentials.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good with
>>>> >>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger
>>>> partnerships -,
>>>> >>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to
>>>> motivate
>>>> >>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach -
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> see : http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that
>>>> can be
>>>> >>> used to illustrate such concepts...  I am willing to bring them
>>>> together.
>>>> >>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting
>>>> research
>>>> >>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog articles.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Forwarded conversation
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>>>> >>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>>> >>>  ------------------------
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM
>>>> >>> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to
>>>> me )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials*
>>>> >>> *B ) Not interested*
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data
>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>*
>>>> >>> *2 ) Know about it*
>>>> >>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data
>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in
>>>> support of p2p
>>>> >>> 4 commons ? )*
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give )
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> //
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Context of my question :
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with
>>>> much
>>>> >>> interest on the p2pf related forums.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know
>>>> about
>>>> >>> Linked Data, and its potentials ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring
>>>> it
>>>> >>> up on this specific list ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications,
>>>> >>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a
>>>> few
>>>> >>> years, without being a programmer.  I collaborated with a
>>>> programmer over
>>>> >>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken
>>>> to
>>>> >>> create certain applications.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ///
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick ,
>>>> >>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies.  It does not
>>>> have to
>>>> >>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you
>>>> like.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain
>>>> what
>>>> >>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored
>>>> the
>>>> >>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to
>>>> manifest them
>>>> >>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons
>>>> >>> oriented political economies.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Cordially,
>>>> >>> Dante
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------
>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM
>>>> >>> To: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>>>> >>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>,
>>>> Benjamin
>>>> >>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com
>>>> >,
>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <
>>>> me at larky.org>,
>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>>>> >>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <
>>>> >>> hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> sent this to p2pf list ...
>>>> >>> Cordially, Dante
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------
>>>> >>> From: *Helene Finidori* <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM
>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>>>> >>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>,
>>>> Benjamin
>>>> >>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com
>>>> >,
>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <
>>>> me at larky.org>,
>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>>>> >>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Good idea.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp last
>>>> >>> May? Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and
>>>> info to
>>>> >>> 'find each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and
>>>> capacities?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value proposition'
>>>> a
>>>> >>> bit :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for
>>>> , or
>>>> >>> that's how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. And
>>>> yes,
>>>> >>> create a collective...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------
>>>> >>> From: *Bob Haugen* <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM
>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <
>>>> >>> ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>,
>>>> >>> Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>, Eric Harris-Braun <
>>>> >>> eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>, elf Pavlik <
>>>> >>> perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <ingenesist at gmail.com>,
>>>> S H <
>>>> >>> seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing
>>>> >>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will
>>>> have
>>>> >>> them eventually.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to
>>>> >>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only
>>>> format
>>>> >>> that has been requested.  Would happily learn and use RDF if needed.
>>>> >>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of
>>>> >>> value-creating and using activities).  The pace of offerings depends
>>>> >>> on somebody wanting to use them.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------
>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM
>>>> >>> To: Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this
>>>> is a
>>>> >>> research project,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to
>>>> >>> contribute to make such visions into reality...   including via
>>>> their own
>>>> >>> projects,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can
>>>> re-use
>>>> >>> for their own purposes...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
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