[P2P-F] CIC, Commons Transitions and P2P-F. responding to Orsan

[Orsan Senalp]

Thanks Michel, of course I would love to work on this. Yet there are several interconnected issues we need to tackle: 

- funding & independence:  what is FPH, Googled but cant figure out? And HB belongs to greens' , so how do you secure independence? 
- meritocracy: needs critics and debate on merits, sources of merits and their legitimacy, relationship to grassroots. 
Ties with the Grassroots: All of the above are issues potentially weakens ties with grassroots. Lack of direct strong ties with the grassroots, would weaken the vision or discourse..

So there are some solvable paradoxes here, In case we figure them out, I am positive about the possibility of formation of kind of 'moduler' alliances between various social forces and individual nodes. 

Orsan


> On 02 Aug 2014, at 07:18, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> 
> Orsan asks:
> 
> <<> background at
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age
> > (short) ;
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/From_the_Communism_of_Capital_to_a_Capital_for_the_Commons
> > (long)
> >
> 
> This sounds really interesting, do you mean as P2P-F or Commons
> Strategy Group will be forming alliance with the CIC?>>
> 
> This is about the P2P Foundation, not the CSG
> 
> <<> we want to do this both 'top down' by talking to party leaders, and bottom
> > up, through the creation of local alliances and chambers of the commons; the
> > latter is not getting much traction yet, but there is definite interest in
> > parties like Syriza (at least part of it) to discuss commons oriented policy
> > orientations
> >
> 
> above, do you mean that the 'top down' is not getting traction?>>
> 
> 
> Orsan, none of the two is reallly getting tractions, but there are early sign that these potentialities are maturing. One is a string of conversations with people like Uffe Elbaek, Neal Lawson, who, given the EU electoral victories for the radical right forces, say, 'the time is now' to start pushing for it. and even a first question came here by marco guistini asking for the creation of a commons party ..
> 
> the signs of bottom up political trends is very meager as well, but there are certainly unifying commons conferences and festivals happening such as the commonsfest in Crete and topical coalitions around commons urbanism
> 
> but if you see what is happening in Italy around the Commons, a wide variety of political and policy initiatives, then I would say now is the time to seriously start pushing these new ideas and have them circulate,
> 
> I would like to work with you on this projects
> 
> <<and the above evaluation and perspestive from a deep dive is very
> interesting as well. I was wondering what was the reason in making it
> as a closed session, and was it taking place between individuals
> participating in grassroots movements or representing
> (semi-)hierarchically formed organisations? Just to understand if this
> is part of top-down or bottom up practice.>>,
> 
> I have done a number of these exploratory deep dives, funded by FPH and Boll foundations, to prepare the ICC and ECC conferences ... as we only have funding for a very small number (10 to 25), they are indeed closed and invitation only, but the invitees are meant to be representative of regions, gender, political forces .. though they are there as individuals, not as representers .. the idea is to explore the concerns of people in particular fields to inform the organisation of larger initiatives ..
> 
> I realize this may not sound very p2p but because the selection procedures for quality of knowledge and discourse, they work extremely well, I guess we can consider them as meritocratic processes
> 
> 
> 
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