[P2P-F] anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation

Kevin Flanagan kev.flanagan at gmail.com
Sun Nov 10 23:58:38 CET 2013

To add some clarity I have posted my own response on the previous thread.

On 10 November 2013 22:37, Kevin Carson
<free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:
> You seem to think she has a very close connection to Anon and is
> somehow driving the YourAnonCentral campaign against Michel.
> If so, she's being extremely disingenuous with all the
> passive-aggressive subtweeting about not having time for the drama --
> not to mention YourAnonCentral claiming she never made the accusations
> herself.
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Michel I know because you say so and I believe you, and I believe you
>> because I feel it and we also met in person and spent some time. Obviously
>> there are many like Heather who may be didn't meet you yet and can't believe
>> you but also the fact that at this level it can be achieved by merely
>> relying on your own free labour and under precarious conditions. This
>> actually contradict with Heather's own experience, since what she has chosen
>> to do is more about radical journalism and activism and that doesn't pay
>> back at the level p2pf operates... anyway What I feel would be helpful,
>> because this is what i think what is heather also most sensitive about
>> (rightly as all of us), or some of us, is the feeling of injustice and being
>> used. anyway forget about me and others, and just to quick fix the problem
>> of possible DDoS attack, pls send Heather, even if in dutch, the year
>> reports of the foundation which probably you have to publish every year and
>> has to include the fiscal reports. iIn principle this is public info but
>> usually they are not widely open right in the middle (just looked for but
>> couldn't find on the wiki) so please send her so she has a proof, again this
>> I guess would be a quick fix for the Anon campaign problem we have.
>> if there is another reason behind it however it should be uncovered. while
>> writing these lines i realized that her book is out
>> http://www.amazon.com/Binding-Chaos-collaboration-global-scale/dp/1489527680/ref=pd_rhf_pe_p_t_1_CWPB
>> And looks like good read with a great title 'binding chaos' which I believe
>> describes very good what you Michel and we all try to do, while
>> collaborating radically and creating what I call a systemic 'change value'.
>> and again right now remembering that she was raising a criticism towards p2p
>> economies, probably that is also part of her book and -thinking loudly- her
>> anger could be theoretically informed as well...  anyway the contradiction
>> here is worth to dig a bit more I think and given that the P2PF is now at a
>> turning point with the recent great achievements in Ecuador and with the EU
>> grant such reflection can be useful for all p2p friends. I still feel
>> hopefully something very positive might come out of this.
>> Orsan
>> On 10 nov. 2013, at 21:37, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>> thanks for the comments,
>> Kevin/Tom: of course this could be some cointelpro, or it could just be a
>> personal issue, how would we be able to know this ?
>> on a rational level, this is xtremely difficult to understand: we had
>> friendly relations with heather, promoted her work, and she asked us to
>> publish these excerpts herself. How could she forget ? that seems so
>> impossible to fathom.
>> and once she knew about the oversight, why did she not relent, but on the
>> contrary escalated?
>> as for orsan's remark,
>> she believes we make money out of our curation, and that we are publicly
>> funded. Of course you know both are wrong. We make zero income on that
>> curation, all the wiki and blog work is free labour, and the very reason of
>> my precarity , lack of heath insurance etc (including months with no money
>> for food, solved by family solidarity): I have occasionally received very
>> small sub-minimum wage contributions via james, when we fundraised in times
>> of crisis;
>> now, we won a EU grant, not for the p2p foundation, but to pay researchers
>> that do actual research for the project (and none of that money has come in
>> yet); this is not public funding for the foundation
>> my situation is not rare, most of our associates live in precarious
>> circumstances with very low incomes, and none of p2p-f volunteering is
>> funded; we are all trying to do our best to generate derivative funding from
>> the market
>> next year is the first year I can look forward to monthly wages since 2007;
>> and it will used to fill holes and bring my family to Ecuador.
>> So no, we are not profiting from heather; on the contrary, we were helping
>> her to get her ideas across to more people, costing us energy and time .
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