[P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !

Mon Dec 9 18:50:18 CET 2013

Thanks Eric

Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing
around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out.

further note :
an interesting reply by June on this thread,
also available on the public p2pf list archive

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/

   - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
   understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks
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    Dante-Gabryell Monson
      - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
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       June Gorman
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      understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks
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       Dante-Gabryell Monson

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has
> led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view,
> Semantic Computing.  Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build
> our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the
> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied
> in RDF/URI.
>
> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in
> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a
> line.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, *
>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,*
>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , *
>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - and/or
>> similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our realities
>> collectively -*
>>
>>
>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our
>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can help in
>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with nice
>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - yet
>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great.   I mean, not only about
>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to work
>> together on various applications based on common protocols. *
>>
>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... *
>>
>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am open
>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an easier to
>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene,
>>
>> for your replies.
>>
>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an
>> email exchange with Michel.
>>
>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest
>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related forums.
>>
>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be the
>> reason,
>> and how could it be better communicated.
>>
>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in using
>> such technologies in their research and development of applications,
>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such
>> technologies,
>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these
>> applications to enable yet new applications.
>>
>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value Network
>> tools...
>>
>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety of
>> applications,
>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching approaches,
>> and inviting others into such research and development, which hopefully can
>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of learning
>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc
>>
>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already
>> including ) such approaches ...
>>
>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using
>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago.  I now notice Pavlik is regaining
>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in support of
>> Sharing Economy applications ?
>>
>> ///
>>
>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the development
>> of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks about ,
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first
>> Holoptism )
>>
>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and
>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival>
>> ,
>>
>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " Noosphere "
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
>>
>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a
>> convergence with artificial intelligence.
>>
>> See :
>>
>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg
>> ( and another graph about internet evolution
>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm  , also calling some phases
>> we have technologies for and for which we need more collaboration in
>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb"
>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif )
>>
>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective Intelligence,
>> to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies, ...
>>
>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field of
>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the Global
>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ )
>>
>> There are so many implications regarding decision making, collaboration
>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and even
>> finance...
>>
>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data approaches,
>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project.
>>
>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and technologies,
>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones.
>>
>> There are series of existing Ontologies.  RDF Schema being one approach
>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance.
>> There is also the use of Json.
>>
>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and
>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies...    And I did not even mention other
>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach ? ) ,
>> such as that of Pierre Levy
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language
>>
>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each application,
>> various combinations of technologies may been considered,
>>
>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data that can
>> be re-used along compatible data graph approaches...
>>
>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could understand,
>> and beyond any one specific project ?   Enable the imagery of a new way
>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to
>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we play
>> based on such contextualization layers ?
>>
>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various applications,
>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos...
>>
>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ...
>>
>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely
>> called "The Internet of Things"<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> /
>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in support of
>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution Economy
>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons.
>>
>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various existing
>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage, reducing the
>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for
>> organizing ourselves using such data ...
>>
>> There are many more themes this relates to.
>>
>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc
>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like components that
>> can easily be re-assembled ? )
>>
>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we can be
>> ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used to trap us in
>> it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us.
>>
>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement views, give
>> your own perceptions, etc
>>
>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web 4.0"
>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research.
>>
>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to work
>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses,
>>
>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols...
>>
>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use...
>>
>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these concepts, and
>> understand that these potentials are very real and are current - and we can
>> participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit from its
>> potentials.
>>
>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good with
>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger partnerships -,
>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to motivate
>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach -
>>
>> see : http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap
>>
>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html
>>
>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that can be
>> used to illustrate such concepts...  I am willing to bring them together.
>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting research
>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog articles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Forwarded conversation
>>
>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is
>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
>>  ------------------------
>>
>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM
>> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>
>>
>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to me )
>>
>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials*
>> *B ) Not interested*
>>
>> and
>>
>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>*
>> *2 ) Know about it*
>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in support of p2p
>> 4 commons ? )*
>>
>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give )
>>
>> //
>>
>> Context of my question :
>>
>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with much
>> interest on the p2pf related forums.
>>
>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know about
>> Linked Data, and its potentials ?
>>
>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring it up
>> on this specific list ?
>>
>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications,
>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications.
>>
>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a few
>> years, without being a programmer.  I collaborated with a programmer over
>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken to
>> create certain applications.
>>
>> ///
>>
>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick ,
>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies.  It does not have to
>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you like.
>>
>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain what
>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored the
>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to manifest them
>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons
>> oriented political economies.
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Dante
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM
>> To: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Benjamin
>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>,
>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>,
>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <
>> hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> sent this to p2pf list ...
>> Cordially, Dante
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: *Helene Finidori* <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM
>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Bob Haugen <
>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Benjamin
>> Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>,
>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>, "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>,
>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <
>> ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Good idea.
>>
>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp last May?
>> Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and info to 'find
>> each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and capacities?
>>
>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value proposition' a bit
>> :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for , or that's
>> how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. And yes, create a
>> collective...
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: *Bob Haugen* <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM
>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland at gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <
>> ishanshapiro at gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>, Arthur
>> Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>, Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>,
>> "me at larky.org" <me at larky.org>, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>,
>> Dan Robles <ingenesist at gmail.com>, S H <seh999 at gmail.com>, Helene
>> Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing
>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will have
>> them eventually.
>>
>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to
>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only format
>> that has been requested.  Would happily learn and use RDF if needed.
>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of
>> value-creating and using activities).  The pace of offerings depends
>> on somebody wanting to use them.
>>
>> ----------
>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM
>> To: Helene Finidori <hfinidori at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this is a
>> research project,
>>
>> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to
>> contribute to make such visions into reality...   including via their own
>> projects,
>>
>> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can re-use
>> for their own purposes...
>>
>>
>>
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