[P2P-F] P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 21, Issue 24

Mon Sep 24 13:06:45 CEST 2012

Dear Robin,

Reputation "metrics" and online trust mechanisms are a complex matter. As
you point out, social distance and governance are part of it too. To
concentrate on the first issue, I would suggest you a few links for you to
explore further:

Books:

   - Jennifer Goldbeck, Computing with Social Trust
   http://www.springer.com/computer/hci/book/978-1-84800-355-2
   - Randall Farmer
   http://www.amazon.com/Building-Reputation-Systems-Randy-Farmer/dp/059615979X

Blogs:

Eli Gothill's Webisteme and especially:

   - Reputation currencies and hybrid economies
   http://www.webisteme.com/blog/?p=1064

and some posts of my own on currencies/reputation/trust mechanisms:

   - on http://tech.the-hub.net/
   - and a video related to the subject
   http://www.scoop.it/t/the-p2p-daily/p/1598025976/reputation-currencies-hubnet-mp4

Hope you find it useful!

Gael Van Weyenbergh

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> From: robin <rkrabbe at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Advice re reputation metrics
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> Hi All
> I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea of a
> reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency project to test
> whether it would increase trust and other prosocial behaviours in local
> communities but most importantly to scale up trust between people that
> don?t know each other. What ideas do people have about how you would
> structure a reputation metric in practice? My vague ideas at the moment are
> that you could have resilience circles, small groups of 20 to 30 people who
> would meet once a month. They would act as support for each other, but also
> the group would allocate a score for individuals over the previous month
> based on set criteria for how each have exchanged with other people whether
> in the group or with others in different groups against the criteria which
> would attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My
> research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is,
> autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital for
> social justice where for individuals to be self-determining, everyone else
> must be self-determining.
>
> Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could this to
> that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?
> Thanks & regards
> Robin
>
>
>
> Robin Krabbe
> President - North-West Environment Centre
> Convenor - Community Exchange North-West Environment Centre (CENTs)
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> From: Denis Postle <d.postle at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Advice re reputation metrics
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> Hi Robin,
> I don't know how you would apply it to complementary currencies but
> various versions of the arrangements you outline have been in place for
> 17 years in The Independent Practitioner Network [IPN]
> <http://i-p-n.org/> that I belong to in the UK. Smaller groups than you
> mention, 5-8, meet every six weeks or so. Their task is get to know each
> other well enough to be able to 'stand by' their work with clients (a
> reputation 'metric'?). For me the strong version of this derives from
> 'self and peer assessment' <http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm> based
> on a list of mutually agreed criteria, which is what you seem to be
> suggesting.
>
> I have written about this extensively, see my forthcoming book Therapy
> Futures <http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#> and
> previously Regulating the psychological therapies.
> <
> http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj
> >
>
> In my experience your assumption...
>
> ... that self-determination, that is, autonomy (intrinsic motivation),
> relatedness and competence is vital for social justice where for
> individuals to be self-determining, everyone else must be self-determining.
>
> ...is very sound.
>
> A critical other dimension is that the distribution of power is
> constantly under scrutiny, ie that dominance and subordination are
> eliminated. This doesn't mean that hierarchies of experience and skill
> are eliminated but that decision making is consensual. A tough task this
> since domination often seems to me to be in the grain of the times.
>
> I hope this helps
> Denis
> denisATpostle.net
>
> On 23/09/2012 01:00, robin wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea
> > of a reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency
> > project to test whether it would increase trust and other prosocial
> > behaviours in local communities but most importantly to scale up trust
> > between people that don't know each other. What ideas do people have
> > about how you would structure a reputation metric in practice? My
> > vague ideas at the moment are that you could have resilience circles,
> > small groups of 20 to 30 people who would meet once a month. They
> > would act as support for each other, but also the group would allocate
> > a score for individuals over the previous month based on set criteria
> > for how each have exchanged with other people whether in the group or
> > with others in different groups against the criteria which would
> > attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My
> > research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is,
> > autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital
> > for social justice where for individuals to be self-determining,
> > everyone else must be self-determining.
> >
> >
> > Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could
> > this to that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?
> > Thanks & regards
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > /Robin Krabbe/
> > /President - North-West Environment Centre/
> > /Convenor - Community Exchange North-West Environment Centre (CENTs)/
> > /
> > /
> > /P.O. Box 999/
> > /Burnie, TAS, Australia  7320/
> > /
> > /
> > /1022 Oldina Road/
> > /Oldina, TAS, Australia  7325/
> > /
> > /
> > /Ph. 03 6438 1454/
> > /Mob. 0421 461 724/
> > /Fax. 03 6438 1455/
> > /rkrabbe at westnet.com.au <mailto:rkrabbe at westnet.com.au>/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Advice re reputation metrics
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> Dennis
>
> Reputation metric makes me squirm.  Any form of Scientific Method and I
> mean 'Form" that is attempted is dubious at best, and will fail to garner
> results.  The existential chit chat with colleagues may be more useful.
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Denis Postle <d.postle at btinternet.com
> >wrote:
>
> >  Hi Robin,
> > I don't know how you would apply it to complementary currencies but
> > various versions of the arrangements you outline have been in place for
> 17
> > years in The Independent Practitioner Network [IPN] <http://i-p-n.org/>that
> I belong to in the UK. Smaller groups than you mention, 5-8, meet
> > every six weeks or so. Their task is get to know each other well enough
> to
> > be able to 'stand by' their work with clients (a reputation 'metric'?).
> For
> > me the strong version of this derives from 'self and peer assessment'<
> http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm>based on a list of mutually agreed
> criteria, which is what you seem to be
> > suggesting.
> >
> > I have written about this extensively, see my forthcoming book Therapy
> > Futures <http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#> and
> > previously Regulating the psychological therapies.<
> http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj
> >
> >
> > In my experience your assumption...
> >
> > ... that self-determination, that is, autonomy (intrinsic motivation),
> > relatedness and competence is vital for social justice where for
> > individuals to be self-determining, everyone else must be
> self-determining.
> >
> > ...is very sound.
> >
> > A critical other dimension is that the distribution of power is
> constantly
> > under scrutiny, ie that dominance and subordination are eliminated. This
> > doesn't mean that hierarchies of experience and skill are eliminated but
> > that decision making is consensual. A tough task this since domination
> > often seems to me to be in the grain of the times.
> >
> > I hope this helps
> > Denis
> > denisATpostle.net
> >
> > On 23/09/2012 01:00, robin wrote:
> >
> >  Hi All
> >
> > I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea of
> a
> > reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency project to
> test
> > whether it would increase trust and other prosocial behaviours in local
> > communities but most importantly to scale up trust between people that
> > don?t know each other. What ideas do people have about how you would
> > structure a reputation metric in practice? My vague ideas at the moment
> are
> > that you could have resilience circles, small groups of 20 to 30 people
> who
> > would meet once a month. They would act as support for each other, but
> also
> > the group would allocate a score for individuals over the previous month
> > based on set criteria for how each have exchanged with other people
> whether
> > in the group or with others in different groups against the criteria
> which
> > would attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My
> > research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is,
> > autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital for
> > social justice where for individuals to be self-determining, everyone
> else
> > must be self-determining.
> >
> >  Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could this
> > to that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?
> > Thanks & regards
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >    *Robin Krabbe*
> > *President - North-West Environment Centre*
> > *Convenor - Community Exchange North-West Environment Centre (CENTs)*
> > *
> > *
> > *P.O. Box 999*
> > *Burnie, TAS, Australia  7320*
> > *
> > *
> > *1022 Oldina Road*
> > *Oldina, TAS, Australia  7325*
> > *
> > *
> > *Ph. 03 6438 1454*
> > *Mob. 0421 461 724*
> > *Fax. 03 6438 1455*
> > *rkrabbe at westnet.com.au*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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