Dear Robin,<div><br></div><div>Reputation "metrics" and online trust mechanisms are a complex matter. As you point out, social distance and governance are part of it too. To concentrate on the first issue, I would suggest you a few links for you to explore further:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Books:</div><div><ul><li>Jennifer Goldbeck, Computing with Social Trust <a href="http://www.springer.com/computer/hci/book/978-1-84800-355-2">http://www.springer.com/computer/hci/book/978-1-84800-355-2</a></li>
<li>Randall Farmer <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Building-Reputation-Systems-Randy-Farmer/dp/059615979X">http://www.amazon.com/Building-Reputation-Systems-Randy-Farmer/dp/059615979X</a></li></ul></div><div>Blogs:</div><div>
<br></div><div>Eli Gothill's Webisteme and especially:</div><div><ul><li>Reputation currencies and hybrid economies <a href="http://www.webisteme.com/blog/?p=1064">http://www.webisteme.com/blog/?p=1064</a></li></ul></div>
<div>and some posts of my own on currencies/reputation/trust mechanisms:</div><div><ul><li>on <a href="http://tech.the-hub.net/">http://tech.the-hub.net/</a></li><li>and a video related to the subject
<a href="http://www.scoop.it/t/the-p2p-daily/p/1598025976/reputation-currencies-hubnet-mp4">http://www.scoop.it/t/the-p2p-daily/p/1598025976/reputation-currencies-hubnet-mp4</a></li></ul></div><div>Hope you find it useful!</div>
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From: robin <<a href="mailto:rkrabbe@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">rkrabbe@westnet.com.au</a>><br>
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Hi All<br>
I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea of a reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency project to test whether it would increase trust and other prosocial behaviours in local communities but most importantly to scale up trust between people that don?t know each other. What ideas do people have about how you would structure a reputation metric in practice? My vague ideas at the moment are that you could have resilience circles, small groups of 20 to 30 people who would meet once a month. They would act as support for each other, but also the group would allocate a score for individuals over the previous month based on set criteria for how each have exchanged with other people whether in the group or with others in different groups against the criteria which would attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is, autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital for social justice where for individuals to be self-determining, everyone else must be self-determining.<br>
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Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could this to that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?<br>
Thanks & regards<br>
Robin<br>
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From: Denis Postle <<a href="mailto:d.postle@btinternet.com" target="_blank">d.postle@btinternet.com</a>><br>
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Hi Robin,<br>
I don't know how you would apply it to complementary currencies but<br>
various versions of the arrangements you outline have been in place for<br>
17 years in The Independent Practitioner Network [IPN]<br>
<<a href="http://i-p-n.org/" target="_blank">http://i-p-n.org/</a>> that I belong to in the UK. Smaller groups than you<br>
mention, 5-8, meet every six weeks or so. Their task is get to know each<br>
other well enough to be able to 'stand by' their work with clients (a<br>
reputation 'metric'?). For me the strong version of this derives from<br>
'self and peer assessment' <<a href="http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm" target="_blank">http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm</a>> based<br>
on a list of mutually agreed criteria, which is what you seem to be<br>
suggesting.<br>
<br>
I have written about this extensively, see my forthcoming book Therapy<br>
Futures <<a href="http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#" target="_blank">http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#</a>> and<br>
previously Regulating the psychological therapies.<br>
<<a href="http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj" target="_blank">http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj</a>><br>
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In my experience your assumption...<br>
<br>
... that self-determination, that is, autonomy (intrinsic motivation),<br>
relatedness and competence is vital for social justice where for<br>
individuals to be self-determining, everyone else must be self-determining.<br>
<br>
...is very sound.<br>
<br>
A critical other dimension is that the distribution of power is<br>
constantly under scrutiny, ie that dominance and subordination are<br>
eliminated. This doesn't mean that hierarchies of experience and skill<br>
are eliminated but that decision making is consensual. A tough task this<br>
since domination often seems to me to be in the grain of the times.<br>
<br>
I hope this helps<br>
Denis<br>
denisATpostle.net<br>
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On 23/09/2012 01:00, robin wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi All<br>
><br>
> I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea<br>
> of a reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency<br>
> project to test whether it would increase trust and other prosocial<br>
> behaviours in local communities but most importantly to scale up trust<br>
> between people that don't know each other. What ideas do people have<br>
> about how you would structure a reputation metric in practice? My<br>
> vague ideas at the moment are that you could have resilience circles,<br>
> small groups of 20 to 30 people who would meet once a month. They<br>
> would act as support for each other, but also the group would allocate<br>
> a score for individuals over the previous month based on set criteria<br>
> for how each have exchanged with other people whether in the group or<br>
> with others in different groups against the criteria which would<br>
> attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My<br>
> research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is,<br>
> autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital<br>
> for social justice where for individuals to be self-determining,<br>
> everyone else must be self-determining.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could<br>
> this to that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?<br>
> Thanks & regards<br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> /Robin Krabbe/<br>
> /President - North-West Environment Centre/<br>
> /Convenor - Community Exchange North-West Environment Centre (CENTs)/<br>
> /<br>
> /<br>
> /P.O. Box 999/<br>
> /Burnie, TAS, Australia 7320/<br>
> /<br>
> /<br>
> /1022 Oldina Road/<br>
> /Oldina, TAS, Australia 7325/<br>
> /<br>
> /<br>
> /Ph. 03 6438 1454/<br>
> /Mob. 0421 461 724/<br>
> /Fax. 03 6438 1455/<br>
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Reputation metric makes me squirm. Any form of Scientific Method and I<br>
mean 'Form" that is attempted is dubious at best, and will fail to garner<br>
results. The existential chit chat with colleagues may be more useful.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
<br>
Joseph<br>
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On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Denis Postle <<a href="mailto:d.postle@btinternet.com" target="_blank">d.postle@btinternet.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Robin,<br>
> I don't know how you would apply it to complementary currencies but<br>
> various versions of the arrangements you outline have been in place for 17<br>
> years in The Independent Practitioner Network [IPN] <<a href="http://i-p-n.org/" target="_blank">http://i-p-n.org/</a>>that I belong to in the UK. Smaller groups than you mention, 5-8, meet<br>
> every six weeks or so. Their task is get to know each other well enough to<br>
> be able to 'stand by' their work with clients (a reputation 'metric'?). For<br>
> me the strong version of this derives from 'self and peer assessment'<<a href="http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm" target="_blank">http://www.human-inquiry.com/asre.htm</a>>based on a list of mutually agreed criteria, which is what you seem to be<br>
> suggesting.<br>
><br>
> I have written about this extensively, see my forthcoming book Therapy<br>
> Futures <<a href="http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#" target="_blank">http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/therapy-futures/#</a>> and<br>
> previously Regulating the psychological therapies.<<a href="http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj" target="_blank">http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.UF63CVEpXnj</a>><br>
><br>
> In my experience your assumption...<br>
><br>
> ... that self-determination, that is, autonomy (intrinsic motivation),<br>
> relatedness and competence is vital for social justice where for<br>
> individuals to be self-determining, everyone else must be self-determining.<br>
><br>
> ...is very sound.<br>
><br>
> A critical other dimension is that the distribution of power is constantly<br>
> under scrutiny, ie that dominance and subordination are eliminated. This<br>
> doesn't mean that hierarchies of experience and skill are eliminated but<br>
> that decision making is consensual. A tough task this since domination<br>
> often seems to me to be in the grain of the times.<br>
><br>
> I hope this helps<br>
> Denis<br>
> denisATpostle.net<br>
><br>
> On 23/09/2012 01:00, robin wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi All<br>
><br>
> I am researching (via a PhD with the University of Tasmania) the idea of a<br>
> reputation metric as a currency in a complementary currency project to test<br>
> whether it would increase trust and other prosocial behaviours in local<br>
> communities but most importantly to scale up trust between people that<br>
> don?t know each other. What ideas do people have about how you would<br>
> structure a reputation metric in practice? My vague ideas at the moment are<br>
> that you could have resilience circles, small groups of 20 to 30 people who<br>
> would meet once a month. They would act as support for each other, but also<br>
> the group would allocate a score for individuals over the previous month<br>
> based on set criteria for how each have exchanged with other people whether<br>
> in the group or with others in different groups against the criteria which<br>
> would attempt to vaguely measure autonomy, competence and relatedness. My<br>
> research is based on the assumption that self-determination, that is,<br>
> autonomy (intrinsic motivation), relatedness and competence is vital for<br>
> social justice where for individuals to be self-determining, everyone else<br>
> must be self-determining.<br>
><br>
> Any advice appreciated, eg are there are other groups that I could this<br>
> to that might be relevant? Do I need to supply more information?<br>
> Thanks & regards<br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Robin Krabbe*<br>
> *President - North-West Environment Centre*<br>
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