[P2P-F] Fwd: [Altruistic-Economics] AE/SocEco

Sun Jan 15 11:01:47 CET 2012

Hi Thomas, and all

thanks for your reply.

in reply to your sentence
*" I am seeing value in somehow building and sustaining a concurrently
shared database of human concerns. "*

do you know this encyclopedia of world problems and human potential ? ( see
pasted below )
http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php

I wish we could collaborate with them as to translate the content and
hyperlinks within their encyclopedia in a graph.

I am in touch with people working with the union of international
associations, based in Brussels. It exists since more then a century, and
it seems there has been difficulty for its management to make a step
towards open collaborative internet potential as to further build on its
data.  Yet there is a page in relation to user feedback

http://www.uia.be/participative-encyclopedia-processing-specific-user-feedback

and an organization collaboration page :

http://www.uia.be/faq/i-am-individualorganization-how-can-i-collaborate-encyclopedia

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Encyclopedia of World Problems and Human Potential
http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php

 *World Problems -
Issues<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=pr&go=>
: *56,564 profiles, 276,791 links
 *Global Strategies -
Solutions<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=st&go=>
: *32,547 profiles, 284,382 links
 *Human Values <http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=va&go=>:
*3,257
profiles, 119,255 links
 *Human Development<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=hu&go=>
: *4,817 profiles, 19,757 links
 *Patterns and Metaphors<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=qa&go=>
: *1,275 profiles, 4,535 links
 *Bibliography (issues)<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=re&go=>
: *16,579 profiles, 24,236 links
 *Integrative Concepts<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=ko&go=>
: *633 profiles, 0 links
 *Network Visualizations<http://www.uia.be/sites/uia.be/db/db/x.php?dbcode=vi&go=>
*
*
*
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Thomas Loeber <tomloeber at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like there are lots of unanswered questions and seems there is
> complexity extraordinaire.  I think this idea of quantifying sympathy
> is open to interpretation.  I think we are liable to gravitate towards
> that which is self-determined rather than predefined.
>
> I am seeing value in somehow building and sustaining a concurrently
> shared database of human concerns.  That and not too invasive focus
> spells coherency.  The incoherency of our current predicament is
> terminal.  As far as I can tell, my theory suggests the least invasive
> analysis would be spread out with minimal possible impacts among the
> largest possible population.  This suggests there may be an ideal
> grouping dynamic, a best survey system to at least make it possible
> that all share perspectives with relative integrity and impunity.  It
> would have specific dynamics that facilitated preserving altruism,
> denigrating the inordinately opportunistic.
>
> It would have to be relatively simple.
>
> On Jan 8, 1:57 am, Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.mon... at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Robin 2009 <robin2... at altruists.org>
> > Date: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM
> > Subject: [Altruistic-Economics] AE/SocEco
> > To: altruistic-econom... at lists.gifteconomy.org
> > Cc: AlpT <alip... at gmail.com>
> >
> > This is quick summary since I'm tired, and probably starting (command
> > economy) work tomorrow, to Andrea whom I have invited to join the AE
> list,
> > and whom I am CC'ing for now.
> >
> > One key point is that AE is *deliberately non-prescriptive* since it is
> > designed to support multiple top layers (people can use this data how
> they
> > like, and may wish to improve on the default cheap and cheerful upper
> > layer). So it defines a meaning for the data, rather than who it should
> be
> > used. Compare for example, now HTML assigns a meaning to the link
> > sturucture of <a href="..."> which was defined a long time before Google
> > (or others) chose to interpret such links through the pagerank algorithm.
> > Specifically AE aims to define two sorts of data on top of the F2F
> network:
> > 1) How people feel about particular things that happened (c.f. AE10)
> > 2) People's (multi-dimensional) exchange rates, which includes their
> > sympathy, since this is a particular case (e.g. preparedness to swap my
> > time for your time, c.f. slide 6, AE9)
> >
> > One likely use of sympathy is to direct energy to those whom people care
> > for the most, other things being equal. I'm not quite sure what you mean
> by
> > "AE assumes that there are gains and losses". AE is a system of
> > self-expression, and as such it assumes that people will wish to report
> +/-
> > things about the experiences they have. Is this what you're saying?
> >
> > You wonder how "people more altruistic are rewarded". The system tracks
> > evaluations of what others say about you, so if you have positive
> > evaluations due to past altruism, strangers can detect this and may be
> more
> > favourably inclined to help you. I am presuming that most people will
> > choose to be generous to those who have been generous to others
> > (particularly to them and those that they have sympathy for), though this
> > is not forced, and other dynamics will likely present in other
> > circumstances.
> >
> > There is no checking per se of the self-reported data (by design, since
> > it's decentralised system). It is expected that people will make mistakes
> > or deliberately attempt fraud. Hence the need for circumspection in how
> to
> > interpret this data (a tension explored inhttp://
> www.altruists.org/ideas/economics/altruistic/measuring_value/s...)
> > - which should probably be calibrated. See also AE12, slide 14 for a
> > loose end which I never tied up.
> >
> > I'm pleased that you see such commonality in our approaches. The key
> > elements of AE are:
> > 1) Decentralised, self-evaluation of interactions
> > 2) Self-assigned, unlimited # currencies available
> > 3) The exchange rate structure, including
> >   a) sympathy
> >   b) resource processing
> >
> > I'm sorry not to have looked further at your work, and will do so as soon
> > as I have moved computers, now that I am safely back in Bangladesh.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > P.S. My CCC talk on Plutocracy went well, and is athttp://
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=51qTb2O6eYM
> >
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