[P2P-F] Tadit's critiques on local currency reformers

Michel Bauwens michel at p2pfoundation.net
Mon Sep 26 23:29:47 CEST 2011 

here is the series of three we could publish as a series of challenges to
established 'pop economics':

  Future of Money <http://p2pfoundation.net/Future_of_Money>‎
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] [image:  ]      19:22  End of Money and the Future of
Civilization<http://p2pfoundation.net/End_of_Money_and_the_Future_of_Civilization>‎
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][1]  Web of Debt <http://p2pfoundation.net/Web_of_Debt>‎‎

After that, we could do a series of 3 on the positive alternative,

i.e. 2 pieces on MMT, one on your proposal for a mmt compatible local
currency

Michel



On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:59 AM, <ideasinc at ee.net> wrote:

> While I respect your personal opinion, "harsh" seems like a rather
> relative dismissal. I've done my best to do my homework. Those who refuse
> that basic commitment and yet continue to use persuasive rhetoric and
> either actively misrepresent facts or rely on persuasion rather than
> analysis which can be addressed as part of an open scientific discourse, I
> really don't have much patience for.
>
> I have involved with cooperatives, primarily food based, for a long time.
> One of the dark side aspects of cooperative particularly when they are
> less than mature as community, is that they tend to have an open door to
> fraud of multiple types. This perhaps this means that I was never fully
> socialized, maybe. I believe strongly in acknowledging both the dark and
> light, and the difference between appearances and substance, as aspects of
> most human endeavors. In struggling to promote economic literacy, and it
> has been a struggle, I have to acknowledge the commitment or lack of it to
> an open discourse, transparency, accountability, and all that. The process
> of what I call inverted induction begins with certain conclusions, and
> then sets out to find ways of making that "conclusion" seem plausible. In
> large part pop-economics is an abandoned zone, imo, because it promotes
> confusion, as honest and well intentioned as its boosters may or may not
> be.
>
> As to the intentions of the writers in this genera, I will look at the
> evidence provided and their conclusions. To the extent that a peer review
> has been evaded or misrepresented I am likely to challenge the content. I
> suppose that is one definition of harsh, I prefer higher standards than
> most perhaps.
>
> On the side I have been exchanging with Stephanie Kelton and she shared
> with me a narrative essentially how MMT is becoming "mainstream" in a
> sense. I 've asked her if I can share it by way of demonstrating the
> non-cultish nature of MMT/FF. I expect to receive her approval shortly.
>
> As to posting my reviews, aah shucks, now you are going to make me self
> conscious (maybe).
>
>
> Tadit
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:47:25 -0400, Michel Bauwens
> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>
> > Harsh but fascinating judgments Tadit, in your list of reviews,
> >
> > I have integrated some of your material in our wiki, see:
> >
> > I'm also thinking of doing a series with your book reviews, what do you
> > think?
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > [image:  ] N    19:36  Community Reserve
> > Exchange<http://p2pfoundation.net/Community_Reserve_Exchange>‎
> > (diff |
> > hist<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Community_Reserve_Exchange&curid=18664&action=history
> >)
> > . . *(+1,437)* . . Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>
> > (Talk<http://p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens>|
> > contribs <http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens> |
> > block<http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens>
> > ) (Created page with " = The Community Reserve Exchange: a Community
> > Exchange: Based Upon Modern Monetary
> > Theory<http://p2pfoundation.net/Modern_Monetary_Theory>=Description=
> > "The CRX model is a Local Exchange Trading System and is an
> > advanc...") [image:  ]      19:32  Future of
> > Money<http://p2pfoundation.net/Future_of_Money>‎
> > (diff<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Future_of_Money&curid=5081&diff=54478&oldid=52711
> >|
> > hist<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Future_of_Money&curid=5081&action=history
> >)
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> > )
> > [rollback<
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> >
> > ] [image:  ]      19:22  End of Money and the Future of
> > Civilization<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/End_of_Money_and_the_Future_of_Civilization>‎
> > (diff<
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> >|
> > hist<
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> >)
> > . . *(+18,559)* . . Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>
> > (Talk<http://p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens>|
> > contribs <http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens> |
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> > )
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> >       19:16  Understanding Modern
> > Money<http://p2pfoundation.net/Understanding_Modern_Money>‎‎
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> > changes<
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> >|
> > hist<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Understanding_Modern_Money&curid=8418&action=history
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> > . . *(+38,141)* . . [Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>‎
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> >                19:16<
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> > prev<
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> >
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> > 19:13<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Understanding_Modern_Money&curid=8418&oldid=54475
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> > prev<
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> > . . *(+21,480)* . . Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>
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> > )
> > [image:  ] N    19:11  Modern Monetary
> > Theory<http://p2pfoundation.net/Modern_Monetary_Theory>‎
> > (diff |
> > hist<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Modern_Monetary_Theory&curid=18663&action=history
> >)
> > . . *(+21,731)* . . Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>
> > (Talk<http://p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens>|
> > contribs <http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens> |
> > block<http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens>
> > ) (Created page with " =Source= '''* Article: Understanding Modern
> > Monetary
> > Theory. Tadit Anderson.''' URL =
> > http://economics.arawakcity.org/node/674 ;
> > Based upon a review by Tadit Anderson of [[...") [image:  ]      19:03
> > Money
> > and Liberation <http://p2pfoundation.net/Money_and_Liberation>‎
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> > ] [image: +] <http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges#>[image:
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> >       18:55  Web of Debt <http://p2pfoundation.net/Web_of_Debt>‎‎ (2
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> >|
> > hist<
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:RecentChanges?title=Web_of_Debt&curid=9622&action=history
> >)
> > . . *(+7,440)* . . [Mbauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens>‎
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