[P2P-F] Spirituality and the internet

Mon Sep 12 11:37:55 CEST 2011

Hi Robert,

I generally appreciate your work, but I do have problems with the idea that
someone has the 'complete' answer to human problems .. this gives the
impression that if we all would just listen to one man, i.e. Robert Searle,
all would be well ... it pretty much rules out the necessary particpation,
not just in applying a model system, but actually in deciding which one this
would be ...

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The likes of Lily, Jung, Steiner, Goethe, Capra, Tiller, and the like have
> done fine contributions towards a more spiritual understanding of the
> universe. However, such contributions are incomplete without the emergence
> of Multi-Dimensional Science which offers for the first time in human
> history the complete system by which a more scientific comprehension of the
> psychic, and spiritual would become increasingly possible as time goes by.
> The implications will probably be astonishing.................
>
> http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Multi-Dimensional_Science
>
>
>
>  *From:* Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> *To:* building-a-distributed-decentralized-internet at googlegroups.com; P2P
> Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [P2P-F] Spirituality and the internet
>
> I find the Lilly diagram VERY VERY useful, many thanks, it clearly maps out
> possible differences in giving value to such experiences ...
>
> However, I'm agnostic on them, because whatever their ontological status,
> they are 'real' experiences and have 'real' meaning. So for the the correct
> consequence is: 1) acknowledging the experience (eye of spirit); 2)
> discussing their meaning intersubjectively (eye of mind); 3) assessing their
> ontological status (eye of matter, the 3 mind theory of Lilly).
>
> I would love to read Luminarium,
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html,
> which directly investigates those issues ...
>
> ha John Lilly (big bouts of nostalgia) ... yes, Richard that really shows
> (y)our age <g>
>
> for the  young amongst us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly ...
> can't remember who that was, but I once hadd long conversations with a man
> who had been Lilly's librarian for years ...
>
> Michel
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Poor Richard <poor.ricardo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Another tangent of this spirituality in the internet topic is spiritual
> machines. *The Age of Spiritual Machines*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Spiritual_Machines>is a book by
> futurist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology> Ray Kurzweil.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil>
>
> My thoughts on the subject are on a different track from Kurzweil, but he
> may be the inventor of the general concept. My interest is focused as bit
> differently from his. I imagine a "spiritual Turing Test<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Test>"
> in which the object is to detect whether the test taker is a human or a
> machine, but in which all the questions relate only to the subject of
> spirituality. I predict a machine will pass this test, judged by a panel of
> religious and political celebrities, in the year 2030.
>
> PR
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