[P2P-F] ows as peer production

Fri Nov 25 09:33:15 CET 2011

great to have the considered opinion of a labour activist,

finding common ground between 'traditional' labour and the new 'knowledge
working class' is crucial for pushing the movement forward,

Michel

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:58 PM, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:

> hi michel and martin,
> OWS clearly creates pressure on radical left parties and unions that were
> striving to 'represent' working classes. It became obvious that they can
> represent themselves directly in a much efficient way.
> We observe solidarity is rising between the old, new and newest social
> movements. Old-trd. working class movement, new-NGOsied sector from the new
> left era, and now with the rise of the p2p infrastructures a newest
> movements such as Zeitgesit, Anonymous, WikiLeaks, and of course DRY, Take
> the Square, and OWS.
> The latest has surely creted a strong pressure on the core trd. workers
> and thier unions, for change. The socalled union renewal is coming from
> below now, as well as from middle by critics in unions.
> I think OWS will represent a new model for the new labour
> self-organisation, and this will pull/push the union movement forward. as
> happened a hunderd years ago, towarsd transnational unionism.
> Clearly peer production, peer governance and peer everything is replaceing
> older forms, relatively faster fashion overdetermines this process. Now I
> think we are clearly heading towards a kind of revolution and the destiny
> of tradiotional workers and unions will be as well as the other classes you
> were mentioning by the results of such process.
>
>
>
>
> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>:
>
>
>  this is probably true martin, that there is continuation with alt.global,
>> yet, there are also differences I think, it's a substantial remix,
>>
>> the way I see it (and ht to jose ramos for point to ariel salleh's work),
>> there are 3 working classes nowadays,
>>
>> the meta-industrial class of the south (salleh)
>>
>> the traditional industrial working class (now also mostly in the emerging
>> south)
>>
>> the knowledge workers, and I think ows reflects them  ...
>>
>> we need social movements of all three, but because of the strategic place
>> of knowledge workers in the current mode of production, they are at a
>> crucial nexus of power and influence; they are also the probable vehicles,
>> I think, the speed up the adoption of peer production by the
>> meta-industrials, allowing them leapfrogging capabilities ...
>>
>> I'm not so clear about what it all means for the traditional working
>> classes,
>>
>> perhaps Orsan has a view?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:19 AM, mp <mp at aktivix.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> when put like this, one really and clearly sees the continuum with
>>> alter-globalisation events, from counter-summit camps through No Border
>>> camps, and even before that: the free party scene, the rave scene,
>>> Reclaim the Streets etc. (all the way back into the age of camping
>>> hundreds of years ago): claiming a space, reorganising it and building a
>>> new world.
>>>
>>> the events and organisational approaches of OWS are very similar and
>>> obviously come in extension of those experiences of globalisation
>>> protests - and in many cases, there are old familiar faces at play.
>>>
>>> the only thing that has changed, as far as i can tell, is that the
>>> problems revealed and analysed previously have now found resonance with
>>> more people in the rich part of the world, because suddenly suffering
>>> has come home to roost (when it was predominantly children of colour in
>>> exotic countries, people were happy to buy a Save the Children badge to
>>> patch their conscience).
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> On 23/11/11 18:17, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>> > in response to another letter:
>>> >
>>> > I think ows produces a political commons and does that pretty much in a
>>> > standard peer production way,
>>> >
>>> > they have a commons, zuccoti park,
>>> >
>>> > they have the general assembly and different substructures, but which
>>> do
>>> > not command and control the movement,
>>> >
>>> > for example, the finance working group, which looks for money,
>>> >
>>> > they have sophisticated provisioning systems
>>> >
>>> > the last three are equivalent to the for-benefit associations in open
>>> > source,
>>> >
>>> > finally, they have an enterpreneurial coalition, such as the ows street
>>> > vendor association,
>>> >
>>> > I have documented this through
>>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/**Category:OccupyWallStreet<http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OccupyWallStreet>,
>>> in detail,
>>> >
>>> > so,
>>> >
>>> > ows produces 'politics', and it has governance,
>>> >
>>> > it has no clear property, but the commons aspect, i.e. it can be used
>>> and
>>> > remixed, would cover that
>>> >
>>> > this is quite illuminating,
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/**Occupy_Wall_Street_API<http://p2pfoundation.net/Occupy_Wall_Street_API>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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