[P2P-F] "Currency Wars" ?

Michel Bauwens michel at p2pfoundation.net
Mon Nov 14 02:53:04 CET 2011


http://p2pfoundation.net/First_Five_Thousand_Years_of_Debt#Credit_vs_gold_in_the_cycles_of_history

thanks!!

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:

> Ch 8, CREDIT VERSUS BULLION AND THE CYCLES OF HISTORY, e.g., p. 213:
>
> "If we look at Eurasian history over the course of the last five thou­
> sand years, what we see is a broad alternation between periods domi­ nated
> by credit money and periods in which gold and silver come to dominate-that
> is, those during which at least a large share of transac­ tions were
> conducted with pieces of valuable metal being passed from hand to hand.
> Why? The single most important factor would appear to be war. Bullion
> predominates, above all, in periods of generalized violence. There's a very
> simple reason for that. Gold and silver coins are distin­ guished from
> credit arrangements by on� spectacular feature: they can be stolen. A debt
> is, by definition, a record, as well as a relation of trust. Someone
> accepting gold or silver in exchange for merchandise, on the other hand,
> need trust nothing more than the accuracy of the scales, the quality of the
> metal, and the likelihood that someone else will be willing to accept it.
> In a world where war and the threat of violence are everywhere-and this
> appears to have been an equally ac­ curate description of Warring States
> China, Iron Age Greece, and pre­ Mauryan India-there are obvious advantages
> to making one's trans­ actions simple. This is all the more true when
> dealing with soldiers."
>
>
> On 11/12/11 2:05 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
>> tere, do you have the page numbers or secion headings 4 that?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Tere Vaden <Tere.Vaden at uta.fi
>> <mailto:Tere.Vaden at uta.fi>> wrote:
>>
>>    Yes, the possible centralization (and physical capture) of gold seems
>>    to be one of the reasons that gold as currecy (or gold-backed
>>    currency) goes relatively tightly together with imperial and
>>    expansive-aggressive regimes, as David Graeber points out in his book
>>    Debt.
>>
>>    Quoting Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:dante.monson at gmail.com**>>:
>>
>>
>>     > Sure - thanks for reading.
>>     >
>>     > Yes, personally, various views can be of interest, even if only for
>>     > understanding, or questioning.
>>     >
>>     > As for gold, I am personally ok with gold backed currencies for
>>    certain
>>     > complementary currencies for those who choose to use them,
>>     >
>>     > but on a large scale, I do not wish to go back to a gold standard,
>>     > because there is a very limited amount of gold in the world,
>>     > and this makes it easier to centralize control,
>>     > hence easy to control a monetary system backed by gold,
>>     > by buying ( or taking by force ) gold reserves.
>>     >
>>     > Hence I personally support a hybrid - networked approach,
>>     > with a variety of solutions ( some providing community and/or local
>>     > economic resilience, others easier for global trade, ... ) , as
>>    to avoid
>>     > monopolies in relation to some specific currency or
>>    financial/economic
>>     > system.
>>     >
>>     > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Natalie Golovin
>>    <10natalie at cox.net <mailto:10natalie at cox.net>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >>   Rikards is excellent. He?s also very Christian and a Goldbug.
>>    Kudos 4
>>     >> being broad-minded.
>>     >>
>>     >>  *From:* Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:dante.monson at gmail.com**>>
>>
>>     >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:52 PM
>>     >> *To:* econowmix at googlegroups.com
>>    <mailto:econowmix@**googlegroups.com <econowmix at googlegroups.com>> ;
>>     >> p2p-foundation<p2p-foundation@**lists.ourproject.org<p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
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>> >>
>>
>>     >> *Subject:* [P2P-F] "Currency Wars" ?
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?**feature=player_profilepage&v=**
>> rAPM7syIcts#t=1040s<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=rAPM7syIcts#t=1040s>
>>    <http://www.youtube.com/watch?**feature=player_profilepage&v=**
>> rAPM7syIcts#t=1040s<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=rAPM7syIcts#t=1040s>
>> >
>>     >>
>>     >> Financial War Game :
>>     >>
>>     >> "Using Stocks, Bonds, Currencies and Derivatives to fight a war...
>> "
>>     >>
>>     >> "Fiat - Organized theft, giving it to the elites"
>>     >>
>>     >> "Europe can not pay its debt, but you can print some SDR's... "
>>     >>
>>     >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**James_G._Rickards<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Rickards>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>    http://www.amazon.com/**Currency-Wars-Making-Global-**
>> Portfolio/dp/1591844495/ref=**sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314198116&**sr=8-1<http://www.amazon.com/Currency-Wars-Making-Global-Portfolio/dp/1591844495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314198116&sr=8-1>
>>    <http://www.amazon.com/**Currency-Wars-Making-Global-**
>> Portfolio/dp/1591844495/ref=**sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314198116&**sr=8-1<http://www.amazon.com/Currency-Wars-Making-Global-Portfolio/dp/1591844495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314198116&sr=8-1>
>> >
>>     >>
>>     >> SDR :
>>     >>
>>     >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Special_Drawing_Rights<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Drawing_Rights>
>>     >>
>>     >> ///
>>     >>
>>     >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Currency_war<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_war>
>>     >>
>>     >> *Currency war*, also known as *competitive devaluation*, is a
>>    condition
>>     >> in international
>>     >> affairs<http://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/International_**relations<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_relations>
>> >where
>>     >> countries compete against each other to achieve a relatively low
>>     >> exchange
>>     >> rate <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Exchange_rate<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_rate>>
>> for their own
>>     >> currency<http://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Currency<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency>
>> >.
>>     >> As the price to buy a particular currency falls, so to does the
>>    real price
>>     >> of exports from the country. Imports become more expensive too,
>>    so domestic
>>     >> industry, and thus employment, receives a boost in demand both
>>    at home and
>>     >> abroad. However, the price increase in imports can harm
>>    citizens' purchasing
>>     >> power <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Purchasing_power<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power>>.
>> The
>>    policy can
>>     >> also trigger retaliatory action by other countries which in turn
>>    can lead
>>     >> to a general decline in international trade, harming all countries.
>>     >>
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