[P2P-F] OSE Europe - Open Process
John Robb
globalguerrillas at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 10 16:56:10 CET 2011
Would love to see David do an interview on this.
Also, would be more than happy to put out a request for translators interested in joining a virtual cooperative.
Sincerely,
JR
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From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
To: David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
Cc: Neal Gorenflo <neal at shareable.net>; P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>; John Robb <globalguerrillas at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] OSE Europe - Open Process
ok, waiting 4 neal's ok,
Micel
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop> wrote:
Nope :-( We are trying to organize a coop of translators in our group (as we could be an excellent first customer) but by the moment I have everything in Spanish...
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>On 10/11/11 03:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:
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>have you explained this vision in an english text?
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>>I would also suggest Neal and I interview you on this topic 4 a
>>shareable interview bk we are doing,
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>>Michel
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>>On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:23 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop
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>><mailto:david at lasindias.coop>> wrote:
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>> my take is that lasindias would be happy with a phyle-based
>> capitalism,
>> while my endeavour is more clearly post-capitalist, but I may be
>> wrong,
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>> Not really, we are happy in a free market system but free market is
>> not capitalism. Capitalism is about the power and access to capital.
>> Phyle mutualism is about market, of course, but is not capitalism as
>> capital is a common, invisible, good there. No power on capital when
>> you have free access to capital.
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>> The «source oriented» economy is about demerchantilization, meaning
>> a comunist model for all society: no money, no merchandise... no
>> interchange, just donation. Something as information is in the
>> blogsphere. It needs some kind of abundance in phisical goods
>> similar to informational abundance provided by distributed networks
>> in Internet.
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>> Probably productivity allows our generation to build a communist
>> society in information and a free market mutualist (but also
>> competitive) society in the goods markets... but no more.
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>> David de Ugarte
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>> http://grupolasindias.coop
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