<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Would love to see David do an interview on this. </div><div><br></div><div>Also, would be more than happy to put out a request for translators interested in joining a virtual cooperative. </div><div> </div><div>Sincerely,<br><br></div><div>JR<br><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> David de Ugarte <david@lasindias.coop><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Neal Gorenflo <neal@shareable.net>; P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org>; John Robb
<globalguerrillas@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:39 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [P2P-F] OSE Europe - Open Process<br></font><br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1044211567">ok, waiting 4 neal's ok,<br><br>Micel<br><br><div class="yiv1044211567gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank" href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1044211567gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">Nope :-( We are trying to organize a coop of translators in our group (as we could be an excellent first customer) but by the moment I have everything in Spanish...<div class="yiv1044211567im">
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On 10/11/11 03:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
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have you explained this vision in an english text?<br>
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I would also suggest Neal and I interview you on this topic 4 a<br>
shareable interview bk we are doing,<br>
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Michel<br>
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:23 AM, David de Ugarte <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank" href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop">david@lasindias.coop</a><br></div><div><div class="yiv1044211567h5">
<mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank" href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop">david@lasindias.coop</a>>> wrote:<br>
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my take is that lasindias would be happy with a phyle-based<br>
capitalism,<br>
while my endeavour is more clearly post-capitalist, but I may be<br>
wrong,<br>
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Not really, we are happy in a free market system but free market is<br>
not capitalism. Capitalism is about the power and access to capital.<br>
Phyle mutualism is about market, of course, but is not capitalism as<br>
capital is a common, invisible, good there. No power on capital when<br>
you have free access to capital.<br>
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The �source oriented� economy is about demerchantilization, meaning<br>
a comunist model for all society: no money, no merchandise... no<br>
interchange, just donation. Something as information is in the<br>
blogsphere. It needs some kind of abundance in phisical goods<br>
similar to informational abundance provided by distributed networks<br>
in Internet.<br>
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Probably productivity allows our generation to build a communist<br>
society in information and a free market mutualist (but also<br>
competitive) society in the goods markets... but no more.<br>
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Grupo Cooperativo de las Indias<br>
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