[P2P-F] Fwd: The False Defences Of Utopian Thought

[Michel Bauwens]

put that way, I fully agree ... but I would add that humans also
internalize, by nature or nurture, uncooperative behaviours, and it is a
major issue of social design, to take that into account ... I think the p2p
movement is innovative in that aspect ..

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Kevin Carson <
free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
> > having lived in 3 (failed) communes myself, I would question any
> > interpretation that only blames outside pressures ..
>
> Michel:  The problem is that communes are voluntarist efforts,
> lifestyle choices, that operate against the economic and material
> currents of outside society.  Corporations have just as many dickheads
> and narcissists in them as communes.  So why don't they go belly-up as
> a result of normal human foibles?  The answer, I think, is that
> structural conditions tip the balance in a particular direction.
> Human society was organized primarily into  localized economies,
> demographically stable communities, extended families, etc. --
> basically the kind of stuff the commune movement tries to replicate,
> against the spirit of the age -- and that pattern survived despite the
> dickheadedness and narcissism of its human raw membership because the
> state didn't have its thumb on the scale in favor of centralism and
> hierarchy.
>
>
> --
> Kevin Carson
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