put that way, I fully agree ... but I would add that humans also internalize, by na<span dir="ltr">t</span>ure or nur<span dir="ltr">t</span>ure, uncoopera<span dir="ltr">t</span>ive behaviours, and i<span dir="ltr">t</span> is a major issue of social design, <span dir="ltr">t</span>o <span dir="ltr">t</span>ake <span dir="ltr">t</span>ha<span dir="ltr">t</span> in<span dir="ltr">t</span>o accoun<span dir="ltr">t ... I </span><span dir="ltr">think </span><span dir="ltr">the p2p movemen</span><span dir="ltr">t is innova</span><span dir="ltr">tive in </span><span dir="ltr">tha</span><span dir="ltr">t aspec</span><span dir="ltr">t ..</span><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Kevin Carson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:free.market.anticapitalist@gmail.com">free.market.anticapitalist@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> having lived in 3 (failed) communes myself, I would question any<br>
> interpretation that only blames outside pressures ..<br>
<br>
</div>Michel: �The problem is that communes are voluntarist efforts,<br>
lifestyle choices, that operate against the economic and material<br>
currents of outside society. �Corporations have just as many dickheads<br>
and narcissists in them as communes. �So why don't they go belly-up as<br>
a result of normal human foibles? �The answer, I think, is that<br>
structural conditions tip the balance in a particular direction.<br>
Human society was organized primarily into �localized economies,<br>
demographically stable communities, extended families, etc. --<br>
basically the kind of stuff the commune movement tries to replicate,<br>
against the spirit of the age -- and that pattern survived despite the<br>
dickheadedness and narcissism of its human raw membership because the<br>
state didn't have its thumb on the scale in favor of centralism and<br>
hierarchy.<br>
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Organization Theory: �A Libertarian Perspective<br>
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