[P2P-F] how zaarly is empowering local markets

Fri May 20 23:50:53 CEST 2011

thanks sam!

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > sam, could you explain the scaling issue, and what you see as the
> solution
> > to it?
> >
>
> Food: For 90% of people in the region I am in, this system would not
> afford what producers, distributors and consumers would need to comply
> with state and federal law if they were moving or producing a volume
> larger than a few small boxes. There are open source software options
> that could help here, but would still need work to create a regulation
> compliant distributed marketplace.
>
> Energy: People could possibly facilitate limited transactions around
> energy on zaarly, but there is no useful distribution mechanism, and
> zaarly as a website is not optimized for any kind of energy stocks and
> flows transactions. So, not impossible, but would be very inefficient.
>
> Manufacturing: (similar to complex food processing) when things start
> to scale up in manufacturing, you need systems that can automate bill
> of materials, procurement, accounting, invoicing, production planning,
> pricing, etc over time. Zaarly doesn't do any of this.
>
> The solution I see is that a website like zaarly is great for what is
> already emerging on zaarly (simple exchanges of relatively simple
> things). However, if and when needs cross a threshold of being more
> than just a few simple things bought and sold (or otherwise
> transacted) then a website like zaarly would need to provide
> participants with the tools to deal with more complex dynamics around
> flows and stocks of wealth. A zaarly-style website that deals with
> food transactions would take on complying with regulations around food
> safety and tracking origin/presence of food.
>
> I realize that zaarly never specifically represented itself as being
> fit for food/energy/manufacturing use. However, I use those areas of
> need as a litmus test of sorts, since they are the most costly and
> difficult need for most people to meet (discluding health care).
>
>
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> From a design concept perspective, the idea of making the main
> >> interface a map is a great idea.
> >>
> >> There are some problems with using systems like Zaarly to scale up
> >> beyond really simple person to person transactions around food, energy
> >> and manufacturing though
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed
> >> > this
> >> > video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636
> >> >
> >> > I think this may be an important project,
> >> >
> >> > Michel
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