[P2P-F] [Open Manufacturing] Re: The Open Factory - an Open Hardware factory in an Irish Ecovillage.

Mon Jul 18 18:11:35 CEST 2011

I believe he means products the machines can make. For example creating an
open "Soap Making Machine" and selling bars of soap rather than the machine
itself.

It makes sense as more people want/need/will use a bar of soap then a
machine that makes soap.

Tim Butram
http://www.worldsproject.org

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Vinay,
>
> thanks for these details, they make a lot of sense from the concrete
> situation you are in ... I don't understand your 3rd point though, where you
> say you want export, but not exporting the machines themselves?
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) <
> hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Michel,
>>
>> sorry it's taken me a while to get to this - the important stuff is often
>> queued behind the urgent stuff in my life at the moment.
>>
>> re Commodity Ecology http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/ yes, I think
>> there's a ton to this, although whether The List is that list of 90 items I
>> don't know. Marcin's got a similar list implicit in his work, and I (of
>> course) have the extremely abbreviated SCIM / Six Ways To Die model. I'd
>> like to see ongoing work somewhere in the world on these kinds of maps at a
>> rigorous academic level, Perhaps One Day.
>>
>> I'm (perhaps surprisingly) wary of having the Open Factory (or whatever it
>> turns out to be like in the end) tied to OSE. There are three main issues.
>>
>> 1> We have several serious metal shops in the Cloughjordan area, so we're
>> not planning on doing much metal bashing at the Open Factory - rather we'd
>> take jobs out to these local shops
>>
>> 2> Replicating the OSE machines is Hard and we don't have the necessary
>> concentration of talent, particularly to be early replicators.
>>
>> 3> My gut feeling is that we want an export-driven market for the Open
>> Factory, at least initially, and shipping the machines around the world
>> isn't the point - vs. say (dull, but doable) organic soaps and similar
>> consumer goods. This represents a compromise, but it's an economically
>> necessary one at the present time.
>>
>> In short: we don't have the balls to replicate the OSE work here. Yet.
>> Could change in a year or two as our team deepens and the barrier to
>> successful replication drops, at which point, yes, it's a natural,
>> particularly if Ireland's in serious need of cheap farm equipment by then,
>> which is entirely plausible in a wide range of scenarios...
>>
>> Vinay
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Vinay,
>>>
>>> Have a look at this, I think this is an important contextualization for
>>> what you are doing: http://p2pfoundation.net/Commodity_Ecology
>>>
>>> I see Whitaker's work as an enlargement and deepening of the open source
>>> ecology project, which is a subcategory for the much larger transformation
>>> that is needed, and outlined in this ecology
>>>
>>> how is the relation of your project to OSE?
>>>
>>> mICHEL
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