I believe he means products the machines can make. For example creating an open "Soap Making Machine" and selling bars of soap rather than the machine itself.<div><br></div><div>It makes sense as more people want/need/will use a bar of soap then a machine that makes soap.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Tim Butram<br><a href="http://www.worldsproject.org">http://www.worldsproject.org</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Dear Vinay,<br><br>thanks for these details, they make a lot of sense from the concrete situation you are in ... I don't understand your 3rd point though, where you say you want export, but not exporting the machines themselves?<br>
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<br>Michel</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hexayurt@gmail.com" target="_blank">hexayurt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>Hi Michel,<br><br>sorry it's taken me a while to get to this - the important stuff is often queued behind the urgent stuff in my life at the moment.<br><br>re Commodity Ecology <a href="http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/</a> yes, I think there's a ton to this, although whether The List is that list of 90 items I don't know. Marcin's got a similar list implicit in his work, and I (of course) have the extremely abbreviated SCIM / Six Ways To Die model. I'd like to see ongoing work somewhere in the world on these kinds of maps at a rigorous academic level, Perhaps One Day.<br>
<br>I'm (perhaps surprisingly) wary of having the Open Factory (or whatever it turns out to be like in the end) tied to OSE. There are three main issues.<br><br>1> We have several serious metal shops in the Cloughjordan area, so we're not planning on doing much metal bashing at the Open Factory - rather we'd take jobs out to these local shops<br>
<br>2> Replicating the OSE machines is Hard and we don't have the necessary concentration of talent, particularly to be early replicators.<br><br>3> My gut feeling is that we want an export-driven market for the Open Factory, at least initially, and shipping the machines around the world isn't the point - vs. say (dull, but doable) organic soaps and similar consumer goods. This represents a compromise, but it's an economically necessary one at the present time.<br>
<br>In short: we don't have the balls to replicate the OSE work here. Yet. Could change in a year or two as our team deepens and the barrier to successful replication drops, at which point, yes, it's a natural, particularly if Ireland's in serious need of cheap farm equipment by then, which is entirely plausible in a wide range of scenarios...<br>
<br>Vinay<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear Vinay,<br><br>Have a look at this, I think this is an important contextualization for what you are doing: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Commodity_Ecology" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Commodity_Ecology</a><br>
<br>I see Whitaker's work as an enlargement and deepening of the open source ecology project, which is a subcategory for the much larger transformation that is needed, and outlined in this ecology<br>
<br>how is the relation of your project to OSE?<br><br>mICHEL<br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br>
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