[P2P-F] The Open Factory - an Open Hardware factory in an Irish Ecovillage.

Mon Jul 18 11:24:35 CEST 2011

Dear Vinay,

thanks for these details, they make a lot of sense from the concrete
situation you are in ... I don't understand your 3rd point though, where you
say you want export, but not exporting the machines themselves?

Michel

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) <
hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Michel,
>
> sorry it's taken me a while to get to this - the important stuff is often
> queued behind the urgent stuff in my life at the moment.
>
> re Commodity Ecology http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/ yes, I think
> there's a ton to this, although whether The List is that list of 90 items I
> don't know. Marcin's got a similar list implicit in his work, and I (of
> course) have the extremely abbreviated SCIM / Six Ways To Die model. I'd
> like to see ongoing work somewhere in the world on these kinds of maps at a
> rigorous academic level, Perhaps One Day.
>
> I'm (perhaps surprisingly) wary of having the Open Factory (or whatever it
> turns out to be like in the end) tied to OSE. There are three main issues.
>
> 1> We have several serious metal shops in the Cloughjordan area, so we're
> not planning on doing much metal bashing at the Open Factory - rather we'd
> take jobs out to these local shops
>
> 2> Replicating the OSE machines is Hard and we don't have the necessary
> concentration of talent, particularly to be early replicators.
>
> 3> My gut feeling is that we want an export-driven market for the Open
> Factory, at least initially, and shipping the machines around the world
> isn't the point - vs. say (dull, but doable) organic soaps and similar
> consumer goods. This represents a compromise, but it's an economically
> necessary one at the present time.
>
> In short: we don't have the balls to replicate the OSE work here. Yet.
> Could change in a year or two as our team deepens and the barrier to
> successful replication drops, at which point, yes, it's a natural,
> particularly if Ireland's in serious need of cheap farm equipment by then,
> which is entirely plausible in a wide range of scenarios...
>
> Vinay
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Vinay,
>>
>> Have a look at this, I think this is an important contextualization for
>> what you are doing: http://p2pfoundation.net/Commodity_Ecology
>>
>> I see Whitaker's work as an enlargement and deepening of the open source
>> ecology project, which is a subcategory for the much larger transformation
>> that is needed, and outlined in this ecology
>>
>> how is the relation of your project to OSE?
>>
>> mICHEL
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