[P2P-F] a new type of platform?

Fri Jul 15 07:43:10 CEST 2011

copied to the list for any extra discussants ...

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, thank you Michel, I could use a bit more discussion on the side with
> this! I believe I have connected briefly with Nicholas (of Permaculture.coop
> yes?) and mean to indicate his projects in the piece. Let me keep fitting in
> some specific ideas/applications/examples to give a more complete picture in
> a couple of days...any thoughts welcome although I am in poor contact for
> the weekend ahead mostly.
>
> Sam, Steve, Nick hello--I haven't got much personal context to share as
> introduction at the moment ('profile') which is maybe why I'm thinking so
> hard about cultural reconfig towards more amenable circumstance...but wide
> backgrounding in media, community, design, science, spirit, sport; and
> speculation :) You might intuit some things from my twitte stream at v17us
> though.
>
> Happy to expand in chat or do a little co-writing/drawing with anyone
> interested! Pac Time, US skype:sola2b
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> hi Benjamin,
>>
>> this promises to be very interesting,
>>
>> I think they are at least some people that share your concerns of marrying
>> eco-agriculture, with p2p social systems, and that can scale through open
>> design cooperation ...
>>
>> I hope you don't mind I put some people in cc that have been active in the
>> field,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Michel, thank you for the response--very fair points. I have allowed some
>>> time to continue processing these ideas (and implications/applications), and
>>> begun a more focused article suggesting opportunities for integration of the
>>> new peer IT capabilities with healthy surplus-oriented food production. A
>>> complicated subject that still ties into many others...but one I feel is not
>>> getting adequate attention as the real foundation (and weakpoint) of
>>> transition to stable social systems. Anyhow, I'm still pulling things
>>> together, but if you'd like to look at some starter paragraphs and a diagram
>>> to see if it may be more on track for publication, here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sufficiency Alert
>>>
>>> Please let’s come to the table. Subsistence is basic. Stable primary
>>> production of safe complete foods is severely lagging in the larger play for
>>> a peer-oriented economy at present, and this ‘pinch point’ is a clear target
>>> of exploitation and mismanagement by new and old malignant control
>>> structures. Agricultural land is bubbling on international markets now;
>>> water, genomic and sundry ecocidal shenanigans are spreading. Demand for
>>> food is non-negotiable, and trumps all kinds of ethical, democratic,
>>> conscientious preference:  without viable alternatives in place, industrial
>>> agri-facture is more omnipotent than oil.
>>>
>>> Models for sustainable transition bifurcate around the challenge of
>>> current centralizations in society, advocating towards equally fanciful (in
>>> scaling) extremum of dark/bright green, where food is either radically
>>> re-localized and re-personalized (think homestead + barter), or production
>>> is further concentrated in efficient enclosed modular sun-fueled terrariums,
>>> perhaps as a sort of next-gen municipal service. Both routes are
>>> fundamentally challenged by under-acknowledged economic realities, and the
>>> grand chaordic system that is human culture.
>>>
>>> What kind of realistic middle road could we open up? I want to sketch a
>>> program for rapidly scaling polyvictual production centers within current
>>> land use/tenure and market regulations, as an agile catalyst of higher-order
>>> peer economics for resilient diversity. Permaculture is an excellent
>>> application framework, tried and true (and intentionally evolving) over 30
>>> years in a range of circumstance. But as founder Bill Mollison has noted,
>>> it’s intrinsic sufficiency is paradoxically dampening to economic activity
>>> and integration with larger systematics. It is a salubrious containerized
>>> steady state, rather in line with ‘dark green’ outlook, above.
>>>
>>> Permaculture, transition, global/eco-villaging, human-scale development,
>>> are all sound models that hold up well in practice. They are scalable, but
>>> they’re not meant to scale--it is not a built-in property, they are
>>> cultural introverts. As opt-in (/out) ethical leisure-fests, they are in
>>> fact self-marginalizing and proto-apocalyptic from the median standpoint.
>>> Culture is a competitive field, where presently the old rules are
>>> perceptibly moribund. This is an immense opportunity to creatively expand
>>> play. But how to build bridges and hold hands with a vastly inertial
>>> society, and truly lead forward? There has got to be a rich and accessible
>>> surplus from the new territory, in conventional terms, and a reciprocal
>>> value/appreciation towards the old. We need liquid capital, and a dummified
>>> ROI!
>>>
>>> [image: MetaReFi.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> I"m generally an easy editor as long as the piece is readable, which
>>>> your piece is,
>>>>
>>>> however, if there is a main thesis, I feel it is a bit to elliptically
>>>> described, so perhaps somewhere, perhaps as an intro paragraph, you should
>>>> make sure that your main point is summarized; I'd also like to know as
>>>> reader, what new things this new wave of platforms is bringing to the table
>>>> that wasn't there before?
>>>>
>>>> I think it should have a more catchy title as well,
>>>>
>>>> and finally, that last word, is that on purpose, or a type:
>>>> revaluolation!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curious if you have looked at this yet? I can understand if it is not
>>>>> solid enough for Foundation blog, or even for easy feedback...but let me
>>>>> know if you have some idea to proceed. I will keep exploring directions to
>>>>> bridge collectivism into the 'ordinary' - obese societal production
>>>>> infrastructures...and underlying values.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michel, I've collected some thoughts in a doc here, if you want to
>>>>>> take a look:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10BgjvyNuie_1oMtkb4Li9ZVzAUSei_1uwivvzkz15fU/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COfC6ZMG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's kind of far reaching and preachy, I couldn't help...but if there
>>>>>> are just a couple parts you would prefer to get more detail on, and leave
>>>>>> the rest for me to put elsewhere, let me know--no problem!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope it can lead to a bit more discussion, and then some wiki
>>>>>> editing, and even solid tests and steps..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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