[P2P-F] a new type of platform?

Sat Jul 16 17:08:20 CEST 2011

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> copied to the list for any extra discussants ...
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> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yes, thank you Michel, I could use a bit more discussion on the side with this! I believe I have connected briefly with Nicholas (of Permaculture.coop yes?) and mean to indicate his projects in the piece. Let me keep fitting in some specific ideas/applications/examples to give a more complete picture in a couple of days...any thoughts welcome although I am in poor contact for the weekend ahead mostly.
>> Sam, Steve, Nick hello--I haven't got much personal context to share as introduction at the moment ('profile') which is maybe why I'm thinking so hard about cultural reconfig towards more amenable circumstance...but wide backgrounding in media, community, design, science, spirit, sport; and speculation :) You might intuit some things from my twitte stream at v17us though.
>> Happy to expand in chat or do a little co-writing/drawing with anyone interested! Pac Time, US skype:sola2b
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In my humble opinion, if you are truly interested in Permaculture
approaches, the first best group to connect with is
http://www.landinstitute.org/

If you are interested in building community based agricultural
enterprises around permaculture, that can work now in the existing
ecology, check http://www.organicvalley.coop/


>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> hi Benjamin,
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>>> this promises to be very interesting,
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>>> I think they are at least some people that share your concerns of marrying eco-agriculture, with p2p social systems, and that can scale through open design cooperation ...
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>>> I hope you don't mind I put some people in cc that have been active in the field,
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>>> Michel
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>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Michel, thank you for the response--very fair points. I have allowed some time to continue processing these ideas (and implications/applications), and begun a more focused article suggesting opportunities for integration of the new peer IT capabilities with healthy surplus-oriented food production. A complicated subject that still ties into many others...but one I feel is not getting adequate attention as the real foundation (and weakpoint) of transition to stable social systems. Anyhow, I'm still pulling things together, but if you'd like to look at some starter paragraphs and a diagram to see if it may be more on track for publication, here they are:
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>>>> Sufficiency Alert
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>>>> Please let’s come to the table. Subsistence is basic. Stable primary production of safe complete foods is severely lagging in the larger play for a peer-oriented economy at present, and this ‘pinch point’ is a clear target of exploitation and mismanagement by new and old malignant control structures. Agricultural land is bubbling on international markets now; water, genomic and sundry ecocidal shenanigans are spreading. Demand for food is non-negotiable, and trumps all kinds of ethical, democratic, conscientious preference:  without viable alternatives in place, industrial agri-facture is more omnipotent than oil.
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>>>> Models for sustainable transition bifurcate around the challenge of current centralizations in society, advocating towards equally fanciful (in scaling) extremum of dark/bright green, where food is either radically re-localized and re-personalized (think homestead + barter), or production is further concentrated in efficient enclosed modular sun-fueled terrariums, perhaps as a sort of next-gen municipal service. Both routes are fundamentally challenged by under-acknowledged economic realities, and the grand chaordic system that is human culture.
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>>>> What kind of realistic middle road could we open up? I want to sketch a program for rapidly scaling polyvictual production centers within current land use/tenure and market regulations, as an agile catalyst of higher-order peer economics for resilient diversity. Permaculture is an excellent application framework, tried and true (and intentionally evolving) over 30 years in a range of circumstance. But as founder Bill Mollison has noted, it’s intrinsic sufficiency is paradoxically dampening to economic activity and integration with larger systematics. It is a salubrious containerized steady state, rather in line with ‘dark green’ outlook, above.
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>>>> Permaculture, transition, global/eco-villaging, human-scale development, are all sound models that hold up well in practice. They are scalable, but they’re not meant to scale--it is not a built-in property, they are cultural introverts. As opt-in (/out) ethical leisure-fests, they are in fact self-marginalizing and proto-apocalyptic from the median standpoint. Culture is a competitive field, where presently the old rules are perceptibly moribund. This is an immense opportunity to creatively expand play. But how to build bridges and hold hands with a vastly inertial society, and truly lead forward? There has got to be a rich and accessible surplus from the new territory, in conventional terms, and a reciprocal value/appreciation towards the old. We need liquid capital, and a dummified ROI!
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>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> hi Ben,
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>>>>> I"m generally an easy editor as long as the piece is readable, which your piece is,
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>>>>> however, if there is a main thesis, I feel it is a bit to elliptically described, so perhaps somewhere, perhaps as an intro paragraph, you should make sure that your main point is summarized; I'd also like to know as reader, what new things this new wave of platforms is bringing to the table that wasn't there before?
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>>>>> I think it should have a more catchy title as well,
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>>>>> and finally, that last word, is that on purpose, or a type: revaluolation!
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>>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Curious if you have looked at this yet? I can understand if it is not solid enough for Foundation blog, or even for easy feedback...but let me know if you have some idea to proceed. I will keep exploring directions to bridge collectivism into the 'ordinary' - obese societal production infrastructures...and underlying values.
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>>>>>>> Hi Michel, I've collected some thoughts in a doc here, if you want to take a look:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10BgjvyNuie_1oMtkb4Li9ZVzAUSei_1uwivvzkz15fU/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COfC6ZMG
>>>>>>> It's kind of far reaching and preachy, I couldn't help...but if there are just a couple parts you would prefer to get more detail on, and leave the rest for me to put elsewhere, let me know--no problem!
>>>>>>> I hope it can lead to a bit more discussion, and then some wiki editing, and even solid tests and steps..
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