[P2P-F] Fwd: Patent Received

Sun Jan 16 05:53:13 CET 2011

Dear Tom: copying the list on this,

Michel

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> What your network and forum may be most helpful with is this:
>
> I need a Co-founder. I have a strong vision of where this can go and how it
> may be best to get there... and I'm a great speaker and communicator (if I
> can ever get anywhere to do those things). And maybe more important than
> anything else, I'm relentless!
>
> I'm charming as Hell and sometimes even charismatic... and also smart
> enough to know that I'd be a disaster trying to organize or administer
> something like this... and before that anyway there's obviously a need for
> money... which means formal business plan, projections, charts and all the
> crapola those money guys need to see.
>
> So I need a hard-headed biz-type with startup experience and/or who's also
> good with visionary, sensitive creative-types who don't do the 9-5 too well.
>
> I suppose there's a possibility of trying to implement on a sort of ad hoc
> co-operative basis and will consider but have honestly some skepticism of
> the 'kumbayah' approach.
>
> In practical terms this is a Charity and Campaign Services *'Business'*...
> that I believe should be a Commons-owned (not government or corporate owned)
> *"PUBLIC INSTITUTION"*.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Crowl
> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tom, please consider this a forum to update on the progress on your
>> project!!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Michel for quick response,
>>>
>>> And I understand. Forgive my frustration. All I can say is I'm trying to
>>> put together something useful and maybe even essential. And to do that it
>>> has to have a pragmatic foundation. And YES! I need to make a living.
>>>
>>> I also believe this enterprise should be a profitable construct... but in
>>> this case the profits GO TO THE COMMONS!
>>> I'd like to move the Commons from being a beggar-at-the-table... to being
>>> an equal participant with a voice that can't be ignored.
>>>
>>> I also believe this can serve as a basis for much of the peer-to-peer
>>> functionality that a corporate dominated Facebook has taken... a place where
>>> the whole focus isn't about merchandising more crap and mind-distractions
>>> (don't get me wrong... fun has a place too) and that this network could form
>>> the core for what can become a sort of civic-focussed Facebook for its
>>> users.
>>>
>>> And the independence of this network itself can then become a guardian
>>> for the freedom of the web.
>>>
>>> So forgive me, but it often seems the Corporatist side sees this as a
>>> threat...  the Right sees this as "Commie-Pinko"... the Left sees this as a
>>> scam... and the Intellectual sees me as a rube without credentials.
>>>
>>> It's made things very lonely and difficult out here.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tom Crowl
>>> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for that heartfelt reaction,
>>>>
>>>> but you cannot expect everybody to be aware of the full background and
>>>> context of your project, nor of the personal circumstances,
>>>>
>>>> There must be an easier way to respond to critique than to expect people
>>>> to have read your blog, or even tried the demo; a lot of reactions will come
>>>> before people even consider going further into a topic, as
>>>> frustating/infuriating as this sometimes may be,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for feedback Mr. Bauwens,
>>>>>
>>>>> Help is certainly welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>> The public service capabilities of television were lost (in the U.S. at
>>>>> least) because the public airwaves were not protected from encroachment and
>>>>> the eventual complete domination of that landscape by private interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seeking to protect a critical corner of the Internet landscape.
>>>>> This is specifically designated as an enterprise to be COMMMONS-OWNED! (I'll
>>>>> be happy expand on how I think that ownership should be designed but nothing
>>>>> is set in stone). This is very clearly stated in everything I'm doing. Read
>>>>> the damn blog!
>>>>>
>>>>> Speech, association, charity, etc are ALL peer-to-peer transactions
>>>>> that PRECEDE the commercial transaction in human evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the MICRO-transaction is a CRITICAL component for scaling
>>>>> opinion influence and other capabilities within the Commons in a scaled
>>>>> society...
>>>>>
>>>>> These transactions are NOT currently practicable under the current
>>>>> fucked-up banking paradigm. (Try giving 25 cents to a charity or within a
>>>>> networked lobbying effort with PayPal, Visa or Mastercard... )
>>>>>
>>>>> If you wish to understand the mechanism try the demo... its been up for
>>>>> 3 years. http://www.Chagora.com
>>>>> Read the FAQ for more info. Have you done that? Where have you guys
>>>>> been for the last 3 years? I could have used some help? Maybe could have
>>>>> gotten to the point wouldn't have even needed to bother with the patent...
>>>>> WHERE WERE YOU ALL?
>>>>>
>>>>> The establishment of a network (or networks) of such accounts allows
>>>>> for that network to offer far more capabilities than simply the
>>>>> micro-transaction for politics or charity...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a businessman and have dedicated my life to trying to improve
>>>>> things for others... even going back to not only refusing induction back in
>>>>> the Viet Nam era... but even refusing the damn 2S deferment because I
>>>>> thought it laid the groundwork for a more class-divided society (which it
>>>>> did).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm penniless and pursued this solo because I thought it was right to
>>>>> do and there was nobody to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a patent meant to benefit and protect the Commons. I'll be
>>>>> happy to answer any questions if you don't understand the concept, theory or
>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd hope to eventually receive something since I've lost everything in
>>>>> this pursuit. I'd love to be able to go to conferences and tried to go to as
>>>>> many as I could but I can't even get across town now... I'm penniless.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a PRAGMATIC IMPLEMENTATION...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about trying to actually getting something DONE! Maybe it's
>>>>> because I once played  Ben Franklin in a production of 1776 that I'm really
>>>>> into pragmatism... and not much into endless theoretical discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm literally starving out here... completely solo... lost everything
>>>>> and all you can come up with is to throw bricks?
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. For how this might relate to privacy and online identity see this
>>>>> piece by Nancy Scola (founders of Personal Democracy Forum and Sunlight
>>>>> Foundation have joined my LinkedIn network) at TechPresident and my
>>>>> comment...
>>>>>
>>>>> What's to Actually Like About "Obama's Online ID"? CDT's Aaron
>>>>> Brauer-Rieke Explains...<http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/whats-actually-about-obamas-online-id-cdts-aaron-brauer-rieke-explains>
>>>>>
>>>>> P.P.S. Essentially I'm attempting to protect and then give something
>>>>> very, very valuable over to the Commons. Maybe you would have preferred this
>>>>> patent to have gone to Mark Zuckerberg, Goldman Sacks and the Russian Mafia?
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly you should be grateful for the efforts I've made. How hungry
>>>>> must I become? I'm disappointed by your knee-jerk reactions. Eventually  I
>>>>> believe it will be seen that this is an important development.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your careful consideration,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Crowl
>>>>> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, it seems quite contradictory that something billed as commons, is
>>>>>> patented ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> perhaps Tom can explain his reasoning ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally still don't understand what a commons account is,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am wholeheartedly against patenting anything like this, in
>>>>>>> principle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is so much already released open source prior art on so much of
>>>>>>> what is described in this, that I will truly be surprised of the
>>>>>>> patent is granted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> > From: Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > Date: Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: Patent Received
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > PATENT GRANTED!
>>>>>>> > ... the key to unlocking the potentials of the Commons-dedicated
>>>>>>> Account
>>>>>>> > Network and the re-vitalization of both representative government
>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>> > fragmented and dis-empowered Commons.
>>>>>>> > THANKS to you Carrie and thank Michael as well!
>>>>>>> > Tom Crowl
>>>>>>> > http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Carrie Dottellis
>>>>>>> > <CarrieDottellis at aplegal.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Congratulations Mr. Crowl,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> We received your patent at our office yesterday afternoon.  I have
>>>>>>> >> attached a copy of the first page.  It is #7,870,067 and the date
>>>>>>> is January
>>>>>>> >> 11, 2011 (1/11/11 that is easy to remember).
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I will send your patent to you via certified mail at the beginning
>>>>>>> of next
>>>>>>> >> week, along with information regarding maintenance of the patent.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Have a wonderful weekend.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Carrie Dottellis
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
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