Dear Tom: copying the list on this,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Tom Crowl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:culturalengineer@gmail.com">culturalengineer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks!<div><br></div><div>What your network and forum may be most helpful with is this:</div>
<div><br></div><div>I need a Co-founder. I have a strong vision of where this can go and how it may be best to get there... and I'm a great speaker and communicator (if I can ever get anywhere to do those things). And maybe more important than anything else, I'm relentless!</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm charming as Hell and sometimes even charismatic... and also smart enough to know that I'd be a disaster trying to organize or administer something like this... and before that anyway there's obviously a need for money... which means formal business plan, projections, charts and all the crapola those money guys need to see.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I need a hard-headed biz-type with startup experience and/or who's also good with visionary, sensitive creative-types who don't do the 9-5 too well.</div><div><br></div><div>I suppose there's a possibility of trying to implement on a sort of ad hoc co-operative basis and will consider but have honestly some skepticism of the 'kumbayah' approach.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In practical terms this is a Charity and Campaign Services <i>'Business'</i>... that I believe should be a Commons-owned (not government or corporate owned) <i>"PUBLIC INSTITUTION"</i>.�</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><div class="im">Tom Crowl<br><a href="http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com</a><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Tom, please consider this a forum to update on the progress on your project!!<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tom Crowl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:culturalengineer@gmail.com" target="_blank">culturalengineer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks Michel for quick response,<div>�</div><div>And I understand. Forgive my frustration. All I can say is I'm trying to put together something useful and maybe even essential. And to do that it has to have a pragmatic foundation. And YES! I need to make a living.�</div>
<div><div><br></div><div>I also believe this enterprise should be a profitable construct... but in this case the profits GO TO THE COMMONS!</div><div>I'd like to move the Commons from being a beggar-at-the-table... to being an equal participant with a voice that can't be ignored.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I also believe this can serve as a basis for much of the peer-to-peer functionality that a corporate dominated Facebook has taken... a place where the whole focus isn't about merchandising more crap and mind-distractions (don't get me wrong... fun has a place too) and that this network could form the core for what can become a sort of civic-focussed Facebook for its users.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And the independence of this network itself can then become a guardian for the freedom of the web.</div><div><br></div><div>So forgive me, but it often seems the Corporatist side sees this as a threat... �the Right sees this as "Commie-Pinko"... the Left sees this as a scam... and the Intellectual sees me as a rube without credentials.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It's made things very lonely and difficult out here.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><div>Tom Crowl<br><a href="http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com</a><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Tom,<br><br>thanks for that heartfelt reaction,<br><br>but you cannot expect everybody to be aware of the full background and context of your project, nor of the personal circumstances,<br><br>There must be an easier way to respond to critique than to expect people to have read your blog, or even tried the demo; a lot of reactions will come before people even consider going further into a topic, as frustating/infuriating as this sometimes may be,<br>
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<br>Michel</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Tom Crowl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:culturalengineer@gmail.com" target="_blank">culturalengineer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks for feedback Mr. Bauwens,</div><div><br></div><div>Help is certainly welcome!</div><div><br></div>The public service capabilities of television were lost (in the U.S. at least) because the public airwaves were not protected from encroachment and the eventual complete domination of that landscape by private interests.<div>
<br></div><div>I am seeking to protect a critical corner of the Internet landscape. This is specifically designated as an enterprise to be COMMMONS-OWNED! (I'll be happy expand on how I think that ownership should be designed but nothing is set in stone). This is very clearly stated in everything I'm doing. Read the damn blog!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Speech, association, charity, etc are ALL peer-to-peer transactions that PRECEDE the commercial transaction in human evolution.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe the MICRO-transaction is a CRITICAL component for scaling opinion influence and other capabilities within the Commons in a scaled society...�</div>
<div><br></div><div>These transactions are NOT currently practicable under the current fucked-up banking paradigm. (Try giving 25 cents to a charity or within a networked lobbying effort with PayPal, Visa or Mastercard... )</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you wish to understand the mechanism try the demo... its been up for 3 years. <a href="http://www.Chagora.com" target="_blank">http://www.Chagora.com</a></div><div>Read the FAQ for more info. Have you done that? Where have you guys been for the last 3 years? I could have used some help? Maybe could have gotten to the point wouldn't have even needed to bother with the patent... WHERE WERE YOU ALL?</div>
<div><br></div><div>The establishment of a network (or networks) of such accounts allows for that network to offer far more capabilities than simply the micro-transaction for politics or charity...</div><div><br></div><div>
I'm not a businessman and have dedicated my life to trying to improve things for others... even going back to not only refusing induction back in the Viet Nam era... but even refusing the damn 2S deferment because I thought it laid the groundwork for a more class-divided society (which it did).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm penniless and pursued this solo because I thought it was right to do and there was nobody to help.</div><div><br></div><div>This is a patent meant to benefit and protect the Commons. I'll be happy to answer any questions if you don't understand the concept, theory or mechanism.�</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd hope to eventually receive something since I've lost everything in this pursuit. I'd love to be able to go to conferences and tried to go to as many as I could but I can't even get across town now... I'm penniless.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is a PRAGMATIC IMPLEMENTATION...</div><div><br></div><div>It's about trying to actually getting something DONE! Maybe it's because I once played �Ben Franklin in a production of 1776 that I'm really into pragmatism... and not much into endless theoretical discussions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm literally starving out here... completely solo... lost everything and all you can come up with is to throw bricks?</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. For how this might relate to privacy and online identity see this piece by Nancy Scola (founders of Personal Democracy Forum and Sunlight Foundation have joined my LinkedIn network) at TechPresident and my comment...</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 20px; color: rgb(37, 37, 37); line-height: 22px;"><a href="http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/whats-actually-about-obamas-online-id-cdts-aaron-brauer-rieke-explains" title="What's to Actually Like About "Obama's Online ID"? CDT's Aaron Brauer-Rieke Explains..." style="color: rgb(32, 109, 139); text-decoration: none; outline-style: none;" target="_blank">What's to Actually Like About "Obama's Online ID"? CDT's Aaron Brauer-Rieke Explains...</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>P.P.S. Essentially I'm attempting to protect and then give something very, very valuable over to the Commons. Maybe you would have preferred this patent to have gone to Mark Zuckerberg, Goldman Sacks and the Russian Mafia?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Frankly you should be grateful for the efforts I've made. How hungry must I become?�I'm disappointed by your knee-jerk reactions. Eventually �I believe it will be seen that this is an important development.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your careful consideration,</div><div><br></div><div><div>Tom Crowl<br><a href="http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com</a><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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yes, it seems quite contradictory that something billed as commons, is patented ...<br><br>perhaps Tom can explain his reasoning ...<br><br>I personally still don't understand what a commons account is,<br><br>Michel<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com" target="_blank">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Whoa.<br>
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I am wholeheartedly against patenting anything like this, in principle.<br>
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There is so much already released open source prior art on so much of<br>
what is described in this, that I will truly be surprised of the<br>
patent is granted.<br>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Tom Crowl <<a href="mailto:culturalengineer@gmail.com" target="_blank">culturalengineer@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: Patent Received<br>
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> PATENT GRANTED!<br>
> ... the key to unlocking the potentials of the Commons-dedicated Account<br>
> Network and the re-vitalization of both representative government and a<br>
> fragmented and dis-empowered Commons.<br>
> THANKS to you Carrie and thank Michael as well!<br>
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>> We received your patent at our office yesterday afternoon.� I have<br>
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>> I will send your patent to you via certified mail at the beginning of next<br>
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