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Thanks Tom, please consider this a forum to update on the progress on your
project!!

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Michel for quick response,
>
> And I understand. Forgive my frustration. All I can say is I'm trying to
> put together something useful and maybe even essential. And to do that it
> has to have a pragmatic foundation. And YES! I need to make a living.
>
> I also believe this enterprise should be a profitable construct... but in
> this case the profits GO TO THE COMMONS!
> I'd like to move the Commons from being a beggar-at-the-table... to being
> an equal participant with a voice that can't be ignored.
>
> I also believe this can serve as a basis for much of the peer-to-peer
> functionality that a corporate dominated Facebook has taken... a place where
> the whole focus isn't about merchandising more crap and mind-distractions
> (don't get me wrong... fun has a place too) and that this network could form
> the core for what can become a sort of civic-focussed Facebook for its
> users.
>
> And the independence of this network itself can then become a guardian for
> the freedom of the web.
>
> So forgive me, but it often seems the Corporatist side sees this as a
> threat...  the Right sees this as "Commie-Pinko"... the Left sees this as a
> scam... and the Intellectual sees me as a rube without credentials.
>
> It's made things very lonely and difficult out here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Crowl
> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> thanks for that heartfelt reaction,
>>
>> but you cannot expect everybody to be aware of the full background and
>> context of your project, nor of the personal circumstances,
>>
>> There must be an easier way to respond to critique than to expect people
>> to have read your blog, or even tried the demo; a lot of reactions will come
>> before people even consider going further into a topic, as
>> frustating/infuriating as this sometimes may be,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for feedback Mr. Bauwens,
>>>
>>> Help is certainly welcome!
>>>
>>> The public service capabilities of television were lost (in the U.S. at
>>> least) because the public airwaves were not protected from encroachment and
>>> the eventual complete domination of that landscape by private interests.
>>>
>>> I am seeking to protect a critical corner of the Internet landscape. This
>>> is specifically designated as an enterprise to be COMMMONS-OWNED! (I'll be
>>> happy expand on how I think that ownership should be designed but nothing is
>>> set in stone). This is very clearly stated in everything I'm doing. Read the
>>> damn blog!
>>>
>>> Speech, association, charity, etc are ALL peer-to-peer transactions that
>>> PRECEDE the commercial transaction in human evolution.
>>>
>>> I believe the MICRO-transaction is a CRITICAL component for scaling
>>> opinion influence and other capabilities within the Commons in a scaled
>>> society...
>>>
>>> These transactions are NOT currently practicable under the current
>>> fucked-up banking paradigm. (Try giving 25 cents to a charity or within a
>>> networked lobbying effort with PayPal, Visa or Mastercard... )
>>>
>>> If you wish to understand the mechanism try the demo... its been up for 3
>>> years. http://www.Chagora.com
>>> Read the FAQ for more info. Have you done that? Where have you guys been
>>> for the last 3 years? I could have used some help? Maybe could have gotten
>>> to the point wouldn't have even needed to bother with the patent... WHERE
>>> WERE YOU ALL?
>>>
>>> The establishment of a network (or networks) of such accounts allows for
>>> that network to offer far more capabilities than simply the
>>> micro-transaction for politics or charity...
>>>
>>> I'm not a businessman and have dedicated my life to trying to improve
>>> things for others... even going back to not only refusing induction back in
>>> the Viet Nam era... but even refusing the damn 2S deferment because I
>>> thought it laid the groundwork for a more class-divided society (which it
>>> did).
>>>
>>> I'm penniless and pursued this solo because I thought it was right to do
>>> and there was nobody to help.
>>>
>>> This is a patent meant to benefit and protect the Commons. I'll be happy
>>> to answer any questions if you don't understand the concept, theory or
>>> mechanism.
>>>
>>> I'd hope to eventually receive something since I've lost everything in
>>> this pursuit. I'd love to be able to go to conferences and tried to go to as
>>> many as I could but I can't even get across town now... I'm penniless.
>>>
>>> This is a PRAGMATIC IMPLEMENTATION...
>>>
>>> It's about trying to actually getting something DONE! Maybe it's because
>>> I once played  Ben Franklin in a production of 1776 that I'm really into
>>> pragmatism... and not much into endless theoretical discussions.
>>>
>>> I'm literally starving out here... completely solo... lost everything and
>>> all you can come up with is to throw bricks?
>>>
>>> P.S. For how this might relate to privacy and online identity see this
>>> piece by Nancy Scola (founders of Personal Democracy Forum and Sunlight
>>> Foundation have joined my LinkedIn network) at TechPresident and my
>>> comment...
>>>
>>> What's to Actually Like About "Obama's Online ID"? CDT's Aaron
>>> Brauer-Rieke Explains...<http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/whats-actually-about-obamas-online-id-cdts-aaron-brauer-rieke-explains>
>>>
>>> P.P.S. Essentially I'm attempting to protect and then give something
>>> very, very valuable over to the Commons. Maybe you would have preferred this
>>> patent to have gone to Mark Zuckerberg, Goldman Sacks and the Russian Mafia?
>>>
>>> Frankly you should be grateful for the efforts I've made. How hungry must
>>> I become? I'm disappointed by your knee-jerk reactions. Eventually  I
>>> believe it will be seen that this is an important development.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your careful consideration,
>>>
>>> Tom Crowl
>>> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes, it seems quite contradictory that something billed as commons, is
>>>> patented ...
>>>>
>>>> perhaps Tom can explain his reasoning ...
>>>>
>>>> I personally still don't understand what a commons account is,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whoa.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wholeheartedly against patenting anything like this, in principle.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is so much already released open source prior art on so much of
>>>>> what is described in this, that I will truly be surprised of the
>>>>> patent is granted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> > From: Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>
>>>>> > Date: Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: Patent Received
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > PATENT GRANTED!
>>>>> > ... the key to unlocking the potentials of the Commons-dedicated
>>>>> Account
>>>>> > Network and the re-vitalization of both representative government and
>>>>> a
>>>>> > fragmented and dis-empowered Commons.
>>>>> > THANKS to you Carrie and thank Michael as well!
>>>>> > Tom Crowl
>>>>> > http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Carrie Dottellis
>>>>> > <CarrieDottellis at aplegal.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Congratulations Mr. Crowl,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We received your patent at our office yesterday afternoon.  I have
>>>>> >> attached a copy of the first page.  It is #7,870,067 and the date is
>>>>> January
>>>>> >> 11, 2011 (1/11/11 that is easy to remember).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I will send your patent to you via certified mail at the beginning
>>>>> of next
>>>>> >> week, along with information regarding maintenance of the patent.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Have a wonderful weekend.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Carrie Dottellis
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Greenberg & Lieberman, LLC
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (202) 625-7000
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Suite C-2
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Washington, DC 20007
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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