[P2P-F] [Commoning] new capitalism and commoning

Thu Feb 10 17:37:15 CET 2011

thank you Denis, you're right that obviously some perverse relational
dynamics are going on that go beyond individual differences and make people,
myself included, misunderstand and be misunderstood, in an iterative way ...

Michel

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Denis Postle <d.postle at btinternet.com>wrote:

>
>
> On 10/02/2011 13:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
> Silke has asked several of us to refrain from further communication, so I
> have sent a reply privately to Christian,
>
>
> This has the virtue  of opening up a space where other perspectives might
> be of assistance.
>
> This is this a research group so I'll free free to jump with an outline of
> a piece of research that, improprieties apart, can account for some of the
> miscommunication and disagreement that has been prevalent here lately.
>
> A well validated piece of research, the Kirton Adaption Innovation [KAI]
> scale points to a spectrum of Creative Styles ranging from Adaptive to
> Innovative. The detail of the scale doesn't need to concern us here. What
> matters is that while the KAI says nothing about the value or amount of
> creativity a person manifests, it has a lot to offer about different
> approaches/styles through which we prefer to be creative, and how we view or
> engage in change.
>
> Headlines: (keep in mind that the distribution in the researched
> populations is a bell curve)
>
> People with an Adaptive style prefer evolution of the present as a form of
> change and seek to work within settled boundaries. They come up with few but
> realistic ideas and projects that are often implemented. They are often
> found settled near centres of power/influence.
>
> People with a strong Innovative style tend to be outsiders or on the
> margins of institutions and prefer fresh starts and out of the box thinking.
> They are commonly prolific with lots of not very well grounded ideas, which
> they have difficulty in getting implemented. They may face considerable
> disappointment and rejection.
>
> Why might this be relevant here? One of the outcomes of the KAI work is
> that it shows that people who are 10 points away from each other in style
> will need to take care to understand and be understood, and that people 2O
> points apart will likely see each other as aliens, wrong, impossible,
> problematic.
>
> As a high innovator who's experienced enough rejection and disappointment I
> have moved, partly due the KAI perspective to respect for the more adaptive
> person's capacity to hold and sustain continuity, something I find hard to
> do. Conversely, organizations that become too dependent on Adaptive
> creativity tend to eventually slip into stagnation. The task for people with
> a highly adaptive style is to find respect for the alien innovators who want
> to overturn everything that is settled.
>
> I hope this helps account for some of the current distance between list
> participants here.
>
> Our server is down at the moment, when it is available, I'll post an
> introduction to the KAI.
>
> Denis
>
>
> Michel
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Christian Siefkes <christian at siefkes.net>wrote:
>
>> On 02/10/2011 01:28 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>> > Sorry Massimo, I can only judge from what I see on this list, and I have
>> a
>> > responsibility to my friends to warn them what they're getting into;
>> once
>> > they engage, it's their responsiblity, but they deserve a warning,
>>  [...]
>> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Massimo De Angelis <
>> commoning at gmail.com
>>  > <mailto:commoning at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >     the same time you send emails to your greek friends warning them I
>> am a
>> >     sectarian always looking for a fight while saying "massimo is part
>> of
>> >     the radical set that always judges others to be coopted, and always
>> >     calling for struggle, with little regard for constructive
>> altenatives,
>> >     and also little regard of whether a struggle can actually win ...
>> People
>> >     like him, and his associate martin pedersen usually like to act as
>> >     troublemakers during conferences and such ... . "
>>
>>  Did you really write that, Michel?? I must say, I'm shocked. I sometimes
>> disagree with what Massimo and Martin are saying, but I've not the
>> slightest
>> idea what made you label them as "troublemakers". Nor why you felt to had
>> to
>> send "warnings" to others. Surely we can do much, much, much better than
>> that in our interactions with each other...
>>
>> Best regards
>>        Christian
>>
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